6 Aug
2009
6 Aug
'09
9:41 a.m.
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re all,
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 03:49:36PM -0400, David Robillard wrote:
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:33 +0200, jaromil wrote:
this probably applies more to engineering and science faculties,
rather than design and arts. in the latter, being capable to envision
large projects yourself and establish a platform for collaboration
with others is a crucial skill that will empower the students'
professional future. i'm still surprised how often graduated students
have little experience in team working, still believing it can be
fruitful to use some of the time of a BA or MA to learn that.
still, myself being a person working in
education, i think the
problem is more structural: i'd rather question why students in a
school should be contributing to a professor's project, rather
than starting one on their own? they could learn how to work in a
more horizontal and creative way, even if the project will be less
interesting in the eyes of the director, who should be there to
give suggestions and help on students projects, not the contrary.
This sounds a lot like elementary/middle/high school thinking being
applied to University where it really doesn't apply (no offense)
There are plenty of opportunities for students to do their own thing
as course work (or directed studies courses, if possible).
Professor-run projects are generally larger, more complicated
things, that some random student on their own is not about to write
in a term or two. They often live longer than a single student's
entire tenure at the University... Science(TM) tends to be a bit more difficult and
elongated than
sitting down to write some straightforward program. Often you don't
even know if what you're attempting is possible, or will work well
at all. If it's straightforward for a student to sit down and write
the program in a few months, it's probably not very interesting or
relevant...
agree. of course it should include involvement of other students and
professors and aim at some consistent innovation, especially for a MA
course, students should be able to achieve that. as when you enroll a
PhD you need to have already a project outline for your study period,
in a MA course some time can be dedicated in outlining it under
guidance and confrontation with other students.
the point can be defined along the coop/collab binomial: i find this
paper by Ted Paniz a pretty good insight on the topic
http://home.capecod.net/~tpanitz/tedsarticles/coopdefinition.htm
ciao
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