4 Dec
2004
4 Dec
'04
10:56 a.m.
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 19:58, Dave Robillard wrote:
Your initial reply to me, which was not about the
issue at hand
whatsoever - you called me obnoxious and insulting. That counts as a
personal attack in my books, and immediately forced the discussion in a
useless direction. Point is you made comments about me personally, not
my statements (always the sign of someone with no argument to stand on,
BTW)
I didn't call you obnoxious. I asked you to stop being obnoxious.
A fine difference I admit but a difference anyway. You *did* insult a
number of people by calling their ideas ignorant so, in my book, you
started the personal attacks. Yours were just blanket personal
attacks. I asked you to stop.
Now, on to more important things. I agree with almost everything
else you've said in this post and I think it's the right direction to go
in. The one thing I disagree with is that we *all* care about personal
freedom. It's just that some of us are a bit more pragmatic about it.
We do have to live in the real world after all.
Anyway, I'm not going to continue this completely
pointless avenue of
conversation anymore.
To everyone: how about we end this stupid argument and turn this thread
into something good. Yes, some of us care about freedom, and yes, some
of us don't give a **** about freedom. However, we can all agree that
(from the user perspective) open drivers are vastly superior for us, as
Linux audio users (and to consumers in general). Can't argue about
fact. :)
Why don't we find out the best way we can attempt to convince RME open
is the way to go, and have as many of us as possible contribute?
Options I can think of:
- Mass letter campaign, with a template letter. Good, because it's
easy, also good because it gives the impression of many individual
customers being dissatisfied. This letter could be a "please open your
driver" letter, or an "I'm not buying any of your products ever
(again)"
letter, or some combination of both. Either way, the point that a
closed driver is a much less desirable (though not inacceptable, at
least to some of us) must be made (some companies just don't "get it").
It's probably better to ask for specs.. we really have no right to be
demanding RME do more work.
This is probably the best option. I think you could also point out
that the Linux community as a whole is interested in finding a vendor
that they can trust and work with. A vendor that works with us on an
open basis would probably engender a hell of a lot of customer loyalty
(along the lines of Mac users ;-) The only negative is that it's hard
to fight inertia. Getting enough people to do this could be tricky.
- Petition. Probably not the right attitude we want
to project, and
less impact than many individual letters anyway.
Agreed. The only good point is that it's much easier to get people
to sign an online petition than sending individual letters.
- Forum posting. Apparently there's an RME forum?
Never seen it
personally. Possibly better than email letters because it's viewable by
the public and they can't just ignore all of us. Plus a productive
conversation might result.
As long as we keep it respectable.
Jan