7 Aug
2009
7 Aug
'09
12:07 p.m.
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:14:23AM -0400, Raymond Martin wrote:
The cases you mention such as border crossings are
all related to security and not to civil justice.
There are other special cases, if you drive drunk and
kill someone the car you used will be seized as well,
even if it's not your property. But even this requires
a court order, which can be retroactive.
Regardless of all this: a private person or group
can't ever do this. Only law enforcement or the
justice system can, and in the case of the first
it is temporary (for securtiy or investigation),
and if not it needs confirmation by a court.
Ciao,
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FA
Io lo dico sempre: l'Italia รจ troppo stretta e lunga.
On Friday 07 August 2009 08:56:30 Fons Adriaensen
wrote:
Which makes
perfect sense. In a civilised society even
a convicted thief retains all the rights to his legally
acquired property. If any of it has to be seized, for
example to compensate his victims, that action can be
taken only by a court. Not by his victims or some self-
appointed vigilante.
Wow, do you live in some sort of utopia?
Law enforcement in numbers of countries routinely seize peoples property when
they are involved in or allegedly involved in crimes when there are no real
victims involved. People's cars and other belonging are routinely seized at
border crossings if someone is attempting to enter a country illegally. They
never get their things back. No courts involved. So much for legal property
rights.