19 Dec
2004
19 Dec
'04
7:30 p.m.
On Sun, 2004-19-12 at 16:59 -0500, John Check wrote:
.. I don't recall saying I was reimplementing Scala.
On Sunday 19 December 2004 11:00 am, Dave Robillard
wrote:
Selfish. Mind you, I'm selfish too, as are we all, so you don't care, I don't
care. Sweet! Let's all have a cup of STFU over it then.
Selfish? What the hell are you talking about?
On Sat, 2004-18-12 at 16:44 -0500, John Check
wrote:
Yes they are. Most people may not care in many cases, or other
interests may trump freedom, but that's irrelevant.
Selfish
The
source doesn't matter to YOU.
Source of the apps, not source code. All of the good things about free
software are not constants that apply in every case or context. It's the fact's Jack, for most people
source code is worth bupkis. Just
because we happen to not be most people does not invalidate that.
I really couldn't care less.
my point was
made. Your "cause" is not the same as everyone else's, get
over it - It's the fact's(sic) Jack
If you really don't get it: my cause is a 100% free software music
production system (and I don't really care what particular kernel that
system runs on for the record). Good, proprietary apps may be best for
your cause, but it sure as hell isn't best for mine.
So, what are you calling your reimplementation of Scala then? It doesn't matter to anybody but you (editorial
sense) what your cause is. I'm
not judging anybody, I acknowledge it takes all kinds.
I'll try not to sound too patronizing and I hate to do this on list but, my
recollection is you're a 20 something musician/grad student who's plans are
X,Y and Z. I don't question your commitment at this point in time, but
y'know, look at human history. Do you expect to be where you are now in 10
years? How do you propose to parlay your free software contributions into a
living? It's a dilemma you'll need to deal with if that's the plan. If yer
counting on hacking in your spare time... talk to the people who would be
your peers.
That's what you call not patronizing?
Last I checked your primary interest in Linux Audio was to take all the
technologies and package them in a nice commercial form so you can make
money off other people's work.
Pop quiz: Who's more selfish?
I'm a 44 year old musician/former audio
engineer/computer bottom feeder with
no day job and no formal education who's likely had more ups and downs than
you've had hot meals and sees a great opportunity for someone with my
particular skill set, thanks to the hard work of a lot of talented people.
Congratulations, you're old and unemployed. This obviously makes you
always correct and me a complete idiot I guess?
I think your apparent lack of concern for what kernel
the apps run on
combined with the insistence on telling me what's best for "my cause" is
cute, like when a puppy runs headlong into a sliding door, so knock it off.
Please show me /exactly/ where I told you what's best for /your/ cause.
No really. Paste please. Prove you're not just flat-out lying to my
face (which you are).
Search the list archive for my position paper. Read
it. Notice that it
acknowledges everybody has their own areas of expertise and that
I state in clear english, a strategy to generate a pool of development money
that doesn't require any effort from the community. I also state that I do
not code and intended to act as a filter between users and developers. Logic
will tell you that is a good state of affairs for people who do code. I
watched the thread regarding prototyping a PCI card with some interest as
well. It's an ambitious goal and I'd rather work on bootstrapping that than
cock around playing holier-than-thou on a list.
We all make our contributions, whatever they may be. One has to be a
pragmatist in life though. I'd rather see a task being done on Linux
generating some mind share to feed the machine than tell a client "Linux
can't do it because author A wrote his own license".
Yeah, you want to package Linux audio systems to sell to people. Not
only that, you wrote a nice little document about how everyone else
should organize to do this job for you as well as possible. That's
nice, but how it contributes to "the community" is beyond me. Sure will
contribute to your wallet if all goes well though, eh?
If you want to be a filter between groups of people, maybe you should
try the following:
- Don't be rude
- Don't be condescending
- Don't lie about what people said in an attempt to attack them
- Don't call people childish names
I sure hope you don't plan to be your own PR man.
-DR-