4 Dec
2004
4 Dec
'04
3:47 p.m.
On Sat, 2004-04-12 at 09:18 -0600, Jan Depner wrote:
Enough right now would be tricky, yes. But in time, the effect would
definitely be significant. I personally think Linux Audio will become a
pretty important thing in time (at least on par with Windows anyway,
which noone even takes seriously as an audio platform yet a lot of audio
companies care about it a whooole lot).
If Linux becomes tempting as an audio platform, when newbs go to switch
and the entire community says "<companyX> is by far your best option for
an audio interface" because we get along with said company, it can only
be a good thing. Already Linux CDs are being shipped with more
mainstread not-linux-specific music magazines - it's happening already.
That's what we need to make RME understand. They used to be <companyX>.
They aren't any more.
Well, seems Marek is already doing the forum thing, so maybe that's the
best option? The public-ness of it is a plus anyway.
-DR-
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 19:58, Dave Robillard wrote:
As I have already explained in detail, I called the _opinion_ ignorant
because it fails to take into consideration numerous factors involved
(actually every factor except "duh, I want card to work").
That is MY PERSONAL OPINION of that idea. Frankly, it's not my problem
if people find my opinion insulting. And even if they do it's hardly a
valid reason to not express an opinion. Every opinion insults someone
out there. It is irrelevant.
So in summary, I don't like your opinion, and you don't like mine.
Good, great, grand, who cares.
Your initial reply to me, which was not about the
issue at hand
whatsoever - you called me obnoxious and insulting. That counts as a
personal attack in my books, and immediately forced the discussion in a
useless direction. Point is you made comments about me personally, not
my statements (always the sign of someone with no argument to stand on,
BTW)
I didn't call you obnoxious. I asked you to stop being obnoxious.
A fine difference I admit but a difference anyway. You *did* insult a
number of people by calling their ideas ignorant so, in my book, you
started the personal attacks. Now, on to more important things.
Agreed. <end previous pointless discussion>
I agree with almost everything
else you've said in this post and I think it's the right direction to go
in. The one thing I disagree with is that we *all* care about personal
freedom. It's just that some of us are a bit more pragmatic about it.
We do have to live in the real world after all.
I said the exact same thing, thus we are in agreement. Yay.
Why don't
we find out the best way we can attempt to convince RME open
is the way to go, and have as many of us as possible contribute?
Options I can think of:
- Mass letter campaign, with a template letter. Good, because it's
easy, also good because it gives the impression of many individual
customers being dissatisfied. This letter could be a "please open your
driver" letter, or an "I'm not buying any of your products ever
(again)"
letter, or some combination of both. Either way, the point that a
closed driver is a much less desirable (though not inacceptable, at
least to some of us) must be made (some companies just don't "get it").
It's probably better to ask for specs.. we really have no right to be
demanding RME do more work.
This is probably the best option. I think you could also point out
that the Linux community as a whole is interested in finding a vendor
that they can trust and work with. A vendor that works with us on an
open basis would probably engender a hell of a lot of customer loyalty
(along the lines of Mac users ;-) The only negative is that it's hard
to fight inertia. Getting enough people to do this could be tricky. - Forum
posting. Apparently there's an RME forum? Never seen it
personally. Possibly better than email letters because it's viewable by
the public and they can't just ignore all of us. Plus a productive
conversation might result.
As long as we keep it respectable.