Ha, it seems I submitted news about a fork right into a firestorm!
Well, I've done it, take it or leave it.
For the record, I did email Arnold Krille several times without getting a
reply, which is fine because there isn't a law which says he has to answer
emails from me. Also, the (C) on that software says -2007, so I went ahead.
It probably wasn't a good time in retrospect. But hey, the last digest was
full of people ranting about forks, plus my post about actually having done
one.
1. Code didn't do what I wanted.
2. Made code do what I wanted.
3. Released code
(3) is the whole point of FOSS isn't it?
I didn't intend to upset Arnold or anybody else, but the only way I'm taking
my "fork" off github is if Arnold thinks it's good enough to make it
mainstream, which would be an honour and a privilege. Also, it was more
than a week's work (mostly understanding the existing code base), which
means I reckon I deserve a place on the author list. If Fons thinks I'm a
"dog pissing on a lampost or some juvenile spraying his tags on someone
else's property", we'll have to agree to differ. I still really hope Arnold is
going to let me ask him some questions about his code!
I don't actually know anything about what caused all the fuss in the first
place, but it's a bit of a shame when people fall out. Politics... blegh!
Nick/.
Science and Music Research Group, Glasgow, Scotland.
Hello all,
It has come to my attention that there are ATM at least two
'forks' of Aeolus. The first by the MuseScore team, the second
by one Maurizio Gavioli.
Neither of them even had the decency to let me know of their
work, and both are taking Aeolus in a direction I do not
approve of. Gavioli has even added his 'copyright' to the
sources of the libraries that Aeolus depends on but which
are not part of its source distribution. Apparently the
intention is to release incompatible versions of those as
well.
If this is typical for the attitude taken by the Linux Audio
community then my motivation to contribute to it will take
a serious blow.
As announced previously, there will be a fully reworked
release of Aeolus next year (on the occasion of its 10th
birthday). Apart from major improvements to the audio code
it will be completely OSC controlled. None of this will be
compatible with the forks of course, they'll find themselves
instantly obsolete. And I will make sure that this sort of
thing won't happen again, even if that means a more restrictive
license.
Ciao,
--
FA
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It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Brian Sorahan <bsorahan(a)haivision.com>wrote:
> I've been wishing for a free Reason-killer ever since starting to use
> linux. I actually haven't used Reason since version 4-ish so that is my
> reference point (I'm sure it is much more [powerful|bloated] now)
>
I've never had a proper go at Reason, but I know that Carla is a "rack"
type plugin-host: perhaps combining that with Seq24 might get you quite far
along?
Anyway, noted! -Harry
tom(a)trellis.ch wrote:
> -> the "Couldn't open device" looks suspicious
I guess you are not root.
> bmAttributes 37
> Transfer Type Isochronous
> Synch Type Asynchronous
> Usage Type Implicit feedback Data
>> I guess this is one of the devices that use implicit feedback
>> synchronization, which is very buggy in the current driver. As far as
>> I know, only Jack works with these devices.
>
> Huh? How could that work with JACK if it doesn't with ALSA?
Jack uses ALSA; that driver code was tested only with Jack, and
expects the playback and capture streams to be opened at the same
time.
> Btw, this is what i get when trying to start JACK with it:
>
> ATTENTION: The capture device "hw:0,0" is already in use. The following
> applications are using your soundcard(s) so you should check them and
> stop them as necessary before trying to start JACK again:
>
> jackd (process ID 2341)
Even more bugginess. Maybe try the other Jack.
A patch series that should fix the bugs was posted on alsa-devel:
http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2013-August/065744.html
Regards,
Clemens
---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Re: [LAD] USB device dmesg error
From: tom(a)trellis.ch
Date: Fri, September 20, 2013 15:52
To: "Clemens Ladisch" <clemens(a)ladisch.de>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hei Clemens,
thanks for your reply.
> tom(a)trellis.ch wrote:
>> i'm trying to use a Roland R-26 as audio interface (USB).
>>
>> I saw it is now officially supported in the alsa-driver repo log
>
> This support is not complete.
>
> Please show the output of "lsusb -v" for this device.
the output i get is:
---
Couldn't open device, some information will be missing
Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0582:013e Roland Corp.
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bDeviceSubClass 0
bDeviceProtocol 255
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x0582 Roland Corp.
idProduct 0x013e
bcdDevice 0.00
iManufacturer 1
iProduct 2
iSerial 0
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 124
bNumInterfaces 3
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0x80
(Bus Powered)
MaxPower 500mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 0
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 255 Vendor Specific Subclass
bInterfaceProtocol 0
iInterface 0
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 1
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 0
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 2
bInterfaceProtocol 2
iInterface 0
** UNRECOGNIZED: 06 24 f1 01 00 00
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 1
bAlternateSetting 1
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 2
bInterfaceProtocol 2
iInterface 0
** UNRECOGNIZED: 07 24 01 01 00 01 00
** UNRECOGNIZED: 0b 24 02 01 02 04 18 01 44 ac 00
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x0d EP 13 OUT
bmAttributes 5
Transfer Type Isochronous
Synch Type Asynchronous
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0038 1x 56 bytes
bInterval 1
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 2
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 0
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 2
bInterfaceProtocol 1
iInterface 0
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 2
bAlternateSetting 1
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 2
bInterfaceProtocol 1
iInterface 0
** UNRECOGNIZED: 07 24 01 07 00 01 00
** UNRECOGNIZED: 0b 24 02 01 02 04 18 01 44 ac 00
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x8e EP 14 IN
bmAttributes 37
Transfer Type Isochronous
Synch Type Asynchronous
Usage Type Implicit feedback Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0038 1x 56 bytes
bInterval 1
---
-> the "Couldn't open device" looks suspicious
>
>> $ aplay a.wav
>> Playing WAVE 'rabe_babe.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100
>> Hz, Stereo
>>
>> -> there are no errors, but it stays like this (a.wav is a few seconds)
>> forever and there is no volume indication "from PC" on the device.
>>
>> $ arecord -f cd b.wav
>> Recording WAVE 'b.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz,
>> Stereo
>>
>> -> no errors but the file is empty (44 bytes), the device shows active
>> mic
>> level "to PC"
>
> I guess this is one of the devices that use implicit feedback
> synchronization, which is very buggy in the current driver. As far as
> I know, only Jack works with these devices.
>
Huh? How could that work with JACK if it doesn't with ALSA?
Btw, this is what i get when trying to start JACK with it:
--
ub64@ub64:~/tmp$ aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: R26AUDIO [R-26(AUDIO)], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
ub64@ub64:~/tmp$ lsof /dev/snd/*
ub64@ub64:~/tmp$ ps aux | grep jack
ub64 2340 0.0 0.0 10856 884 pts/1 S+ 15:50 0:00 grep
--color=auto jack
ub64@ub64:~/tmp$ jackd -d alsa -r 44100 -p 1024 -n 3 -d hw:0,0
jackdmp 1.9.8
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
Copyright 2004-2011 Grame.
jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
control device hw:0
control device hw:0
audio_reservation_init
Acquire audio card Audio0
creating alsa driver ... hw:0,0|hw:0,0|1024|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
control device hw:0
ATTENTION: The capture device "hw:0,0" is already in use. The following
applications are using your soundcard(s) so you should check them and
stop them as necessary before trying to start JACK again:
jackd (process ID 2341)
Cannot initialize driver
JackServer::Open() failed with -1
Failed to open server
--
>
> Regards,
> Clemens
>
Ciao,
Thomas
On ven. 20/09/13 14:50 , Harry van Haaren <harryhaaren(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Harry, could you please post some links, when you have seen the
> frustration you're talking about?
> I'd much prefer focus on improving from where we are: not highlighting
> where communication may have broken down.
>
> I'd also like to get feedback from users, about what tools are needed most:
> plugins, synths, effects? Yet-Another-DAW?
> If any of the above, please provide details / intended use-case.
A monophonic real time note to MIDI converter. The main issue will be
different instruments will have different harmonic contents for the same
note, and this content can change with time especially during the attack.
That imply some kind of visualization of the signal will be needed to fix the
parameters of the algorithm for a given instrument. It will be a great
plugin/patch for Fons coming wonderful oscilloscope.
Dominique
>
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On jeu. 19/09/13 17:50 , IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at> wrote:
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> On 2013-09-19 05:31, hermann meyer wrote:
> >>
> > I'm sad to hear that. :-( Please don't let you lead from the things
> > you didn't like, let you lead from the things you like instead. I
> > guess then it's necessary to let you know that we use /as well/ a
> > fork of your work, the zita-convolver library, in the guitarix
> > project. But we leave your copyright untouched, and the fork will
> > only come in use, when the user set a explicit compile flag. We
> > didn't promote it, or force the fork. Ordinary your original code
> > is in use. We do it to use ffmpeg instead fftw3 FFT, which perform
> > better on ARM devices.
>
> but this sounds like the perfect opportunity to not do a simple fork,
> but to send patches to upstream so fons' aeolus could support both
> fftw3 and ffmpeg FFTs.
> it might be a win-win situation, where not only more than just the
> original aeolus users can profit from fons' work (because you use his
> code) but also more than just your users can profit from your work
> (because you changes are included into upstream aeolus).
I fully agree. As the main fvwm-crystal developer, I know how hard it can
be to get good users returns. I find it scary if even developers cannot
share with each others.
I begun to write my own fvwm-crystal functions because I wanted them,
and when I was done, I contacted upstream. At first, I get no answer, so
I done a fork. Some months later, it was a discussion about my fork
on fvwm-crystal email list, and that time I get in touch with upstream,
and my work was incorporated into Crystal. Form there, I am now the
main contributor. It is not always easy, but so is life.
As the main fvwm-crystal developer, I just don't have the time to check
what can be the special requirements of each distribution or each user
that use it. And I find it very sad when they make modifications and
don't contribute them. From users, I can understand that very well, but
from developers, I think they just miss a very important point about FOS :
a community is always about solidarity.
That imply we must communicate more with each other. I think this is
a big problem, and not only related to Fons work, or the LAD, but to the
whole community. And it is not easy to solve if developers that make
patches just say nothing to the original developers. We are living
in an individualistic society, so are commercial softwares, but with
FOS, peoples must really take on them to communicate more about
what they are doing, that especially when they are making interesting
patches or forks.
Dominique
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On 09/20/2013 02:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 14:14 +0200, Alex wrote:
>> I'm glad you asked! :)
>>
>> A fully functional, comprehensively tooled up (including keybinding
>> functionality for as much as possible) jack midi sequencer, that doesn't
>> do audio or plugins (we have decent apps for those already), but does
>> midi......comprehensively. (and including properly functioning MMC, MTC,
>> bank and patch management, a full set of keybinding functions for as
>> much as possible, including navigation, folder tracks (containers) for
>> handling a lot of tracks, a complete pianoroll toolset for
>> input/edit/remove including bindings for things like toggle step input,
>> just to name a few.....)
>>
>> And a gui that works, and saves position, size and midi clip values like
>> CC lanes assigned per track that display in the pianoroll (1st violins
>> track might have velocity/volume/pitchbend/modulation CC lanes, and
>> tubas might only have volume and velocity, as an example)
>>
>> Did i mention keybinding functionality for as much as possible?
>>
>> And complete non-session-manager and OSC functionality?
>>
>> That should keep you busy for a while. :)
> I would like to get this too, but + audio recording ;).
>
> Especially a mute and unmute clip function, the most missing thing for
> Qtractor, the sequencer I'm using.
>
> And this mixer thingy Cubase for the Atari does provide, to set up real
> time hardware synth editors, that can be used by a sequencer track.
> Turning of running status send to hardware synth would be nice too.
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Ralf, we already have good audio apps (non-timeline, etc), and it's easy
to port one to the other.
Qtractor doesn't do jackmidi.
Alex.
On ven. 20/09/13 13:14 , Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 11:00 +0200, michel dominique wrote:
> > That imply we must communicate more with each other.
>
> But we all know that some people can't communicate with each other, not
> only when it comes to forks, even when reporting bugs. That's bad, but
> natural.
Communication is the ground of civilisation. Unfortunately, our society
is so individualistic that some peoples miss it even when doing FLOSS.
It is why they have to learn to communicate at the first place. And that's
not that hard, it can begin by just sending an email.
>
> Perhaps my request will get them in contact.
> https://github.com/mgavioli/oscAeolus/issues/1 [1]
That's a good initiative!
Best,
Dominique
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Good morning
i'm trying to use a Roland R-26 as audio interface (USB).
I saw it is now officially supported in the alsa-driver repo log:
commit aa47d6014f7011b335345ce14836efe358b0cfe5
Author: Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de>
Date: Sun Mar 31 23:43:12 2013 +0200
ALSA: usb-audio: add support for many Roland/Yamaha devices
Add quirks to detect the various vendor-specific descriptors used by
Roland and Yamaha in most of their recent USB audio and MIDI devices.
...
...
- Roland R-26 Recorder
So i cloned the alsa-driver repo (branch release) and run ./gitcompile.
Everything looks good and alsa force-reload worked.
$ cat /proc/asound/version
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.25.
Compiled on Sep 2 2013 for kernel 3.2.0-39-lowlatency (SMP).
When the device is plugged in and selected to act as an audio interface,
dmesg says (debug=verbose):
[ 5642.186130] usb 1-5.1: new high-speed USB device number 8 using ehci_hcd
[ 5642.391666] snd-usb-audio: probe of 1-5.1:1.0 failed with error -5
[ 5642.392403] ALSA stream.c:711 >8:1:1: add audio endpoint 0xd
[ 5642.392775] ALSA stream.c:711 >8:2:1: add audio endpoint 0x8e
[ 5642.394385] usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio
$ lsusb | grep Roland
Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0582:013e Roland Corp.
$ cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [R26AUDIO ]: USB-Audio - R-26(AUDIO)
Roland R-26(AUDIO) at usb-0000:00:0b.1-5.1, high speed
After compile, there is a clear warning:
WARNING!!! The mixer channels for the ALSA driver are muted by default!!!
**************************************************************************
You would use some ALSA or OSS mixer to set the appropriate volume.
-> alsamixer says "This sound device does not have any controls." so i
can't unmute anything there.
$ aplay a.wav
Playing WAVE 'rabe_babe.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz,
Stereo
-> there are no errors, but it stays like this (a.wav is a few seconds)
forever and there is no volume indication "from PC" on the device.
$ arecord -f cd b.wav
Recording WAVE 'b.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
-> no errors but the file is empty (44 bytes), the device shows active mic
level "to PC"
It doesn't work for input or output but i guess it's near working. The
only error is in dmesg (error -5 ?). Were could i go from here? Any hint
is welcome
Best regards,
Thomas
