5 Feb
2013
5 Feb
'13
8:18 p.m.
On Tuesday 05 February 2013 18:26:24 David Baron wrote:
My main complaint is not really about Linux, per se,
but the whole DAW,
etc., scene: Lack of interoperability!
I have a lot of Cakewalk files from the Windows days. Cannot do anything
with them besides play two tracks in Cakewalk-Express using WINE.
That is because you have been ignoring that KMidimon reads and plays Cakewalk
WRK files. And my library drumstick-file is available under a free license,
offering this functionality to any interested developer.
For me, this says everything about the worse problem in the Linux audio
development community.
Regards
5 Feb
5 Feb
8:26 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?
Devin wrote:
"
*1.) Developer releases software.
2.) Users download software.
3.) Users don't give feedback, or give very little feedback, on software.
4.) Developer doesn't continue to develop software because (s)he's
unmotivated to continue due to a perceived lack of community interest
and/or because his/her requirements for the software are satisfied.
5.) Bit-rot ensues.*
"
This is very interesting because it displays that Linux, as a hobbyist
operating system, has a very different motivational set. While on Windows
developers won't typically start writing software unless they have
researched the market and are sure it will be used, on Linux a developer
usually writes software for himself.
In fact, I think even bigger software, like Qtractor, is written as a hobby
(Rui, correct me if I am wrong).
In other words, software on Linux is usually developer-driven, not
user-driven. And this constructs a totally different community and attitude
and method of communication. Linux, at its core, is an operating system for
developers, for people who want to write their own stuff.
To rephrase it, I would also say that Linux Audio as an environment lacks
competition. You don't have to worry your software is out of date or that
someone else introduced a new feature. What is seen as duplicating features
by many is really a mechanism for quality and innovation. Here, on Linux,
there is no such thing as market competition. And thus - no natural
selection of software, so to speak.
L.V.
9:12 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Here, on Linux, there is no such thing as market
competition. And thus -
no natural selection of software, so to speak.
if and when bitwig is released for linux, i suspect this will not be the
case anymore.
9:14 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>wrote;wrote:
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Right, but question is - will the hobbyist software community be willing to
enter into a competition of that sort? Real competition will be when
several commercial enterprises compete, not when a commercial, well-funded
project competes with what people do in their free time.
--
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
Here, on Linux, there is no such thing as market
competition. And thus -
no natural selection of software, so to speak.
if and when bitwig is released for linux, i suspect this will not be the
case anymore.
10:17 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?
On Wed, February 6, 2013 7:12 am, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Louigi Verona
<louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them
all and in the darkness bind them...
We already have market competition. AVID, Apple, Microsoft, AMD, Nokia and
even Google actively work against anything the open source multimedia
developers are throwing at them. Intel is on the fence. They have a large
Linux department but don't make many contributions round here. We don't
here from ARM much either but TI, Qualcomm do support their employees
supporting this community. The strange thing is how many movie studios use
our tools but are not actively contributing to the community. There is a
pickup in radio stations though. However the bulk of the work that is done
is privately funded or research projects.
What sucks about Linux Audio is the guys who print as much money as they
want don't like open source multimedia. They see it as an existential
threat and do everything they can to cripple wider adoption of the tools,
products and services that open source multimedia folks provide.
Given that the Linux Audio Community is not in a position to fight on the
same level we are always the underdog. If I had the ability to print
billions of dollars and rack up trillions of dollars of debt with my
Hereditary Bankster Elite Buddies things would be very different for Open
Source Multimedia. If we didn't have to compete with Government
organisations backed by unlimited funds to make a sale of our products we
would be very busy.
In the meantime I have to feed my kids and pay the rent like every other
Joe who is not a member of the 1% or working for them. I face the choice
of starving to death to make a rental payment so I can have a place to
work 90 hours a week or being forced out of business if I can't pay my tax
on time. Whereas the competition are able to borrow billions from their
mates, create unlimited reserves of cash and never ever have to pay it
back. That really sucks!
Even companies that are generating billions of dollars thanks to open
source multimedia solutions like the ALSA project don't even try to give
anything back to the wider community. Where are the contributions from
the likes of Samsung and Google to Linux Audio and multimedia solutions?
Let alone all the smaller companies that are using our software for their
business products and refuse to chip in occasionally with some useful
contributions.There are many corporations that are quite happy to take the
work that has been done and profit from it but feel absolutely no
motivation to give anything back. That sucks!
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
Here, on Linux, there is no such thing as market
competition. And thus
-
no natural selection of software, so to speak.
if and when bitwig is released for linux, i suspect this will not be the
case anymore. 
9:15 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?
On February 5, 2013 08:18:03 PM Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
On Tuesday 05 February 2013 18:26:24 David Baron
wrote:
> My main complaint is not really about Linux, per se, but the whole DAW,
> etc., scene: Lack of interoperability!
>
> I have a lot of Cakewalk files from the Windows days.
Me too.
> Cannot do anything
> with them besides play two tracks in Cakewalk-Express using WINE.
I'm currently running CW in Wine and exporting the audio tracks
one-by-one, and then save the file as midi.
This gives me the midi and audio files which I then import into MusE.
But it's tedious of course. I'm writing support for making it easier
since I discovered I need to link imported midi controllers to the
audio tracks, which MusE currently can't do...
That is because you have been ignoring that KMidimon reads and plays
Cakewalk WRK files. And my library drumstick-file is available under a free
license, offering this functionality to any interested developer.
Wow. The drumstick lib reads wrk files?
Awesome. I had no idea, was looking for something.
Having a look at the source now...
Can you tell me if it might be able to handle the audio tracks as well?
And (just a wish) is it possible to make a .bun bundle file parser?
Thanks very much Pedro!
Tim.
For me, this says everything about the worse problem in the Linux audio
development community.
Regards
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