On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote: On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 13:14 +0000, Victor Lazzarini wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/dec/14/chrome-os-richard-sta… Hi Victor :) a good OT post, thank you and full ACK with Stallman here. I'm not all the time conform with his statements ;). Btw. there e.g. is 'Alice Disk & Alice SmartDisk', 5 GB for free to 'safeguard' your private data ;), if you pay, the user space is unlimited. I need to ask total strangers, if they would like to safeguard my wages ;). Even allegedly reputable PayPal will fuck us and hold back donations without any lawsuit, just because big brother is pissed. Anyway, this is for stupid people who are 'careless' by hook or by crook and who don't care for trackers and thingies like this too, instead they watch bollocks-TV's lurid reports, e.g. about the dangerous Internet, followed by experts that teach them stupid stuff to protect their current hyped Windows. Gag me with a spoon! Cheers! Ralf _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev Yeah, Ralf, although an interesting thought is that Stallman by speaking about it acknowledges that he considers freedom should be for everyone, even if they do not understand it. So although I understand the "stupid people" thing, from an emotional standpoint, I would still love to find a solution that makes even "stupid people" free ;)

On Tuesday, December 14, 2010 03:27:37 pm Victor Lazzarini did opine: He's right.

On Tuesday, December 14, 2010 03:27:37 pm Victor Lazzarini did opine: He's right.

On 12/14/2010 09:32 PM, Paul Davis wrote: Only with nickname and non personal info ;)

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:28 PM, gene heskett <gheskett(a)wdtv.com> wrote: i agree, but how many of us use gmail?

Anybody know of a public email provider that is better? Or more so: that can prove they are better?

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Dan Kegel <dank(a)kegel.com> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Harry Van Haaren

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/breaking-news-eff-victory-appeals- court-holds is a ray of hope, though...

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:48 PM, gene heskett <gheskett(a)wdtv.com> wrote: For what it's worth, Google's caution in promising deletion is probably because it's not quite sure how to do that quickly. Users would be Very Very Angry if a disk outage or a fire in a datacenter resulted in the loss of their stored email, so Google probably has some sort of offsite backup arrangement, and that might complicate prompt deletion. ... yup, http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=7401 says "residual copies of deleted messages and accounts may take up to 60 days to be deleted from our active servers and may remain in our backup systems." So, if you were google, would you use tape backup? If so, how would you do that permanent deletion thing? If not, how would you make darn sure you didn't anger users by losing messages during a disaster?

On Thursday, December 16, 2010 08:12:34 am Arnold Krille did opine: wrote: I run amanda here every night, but no tape, big disks instead. Much more usable come recovery times.

On Thursday 16 December 2010 01:13:24 Dan Kegel wrote: I don't think google uses magnet-tapes or similar for any backups except the vital core data of its business. Given the number and size of their data- centers around the world, they just sync the data to a different part of the world an be done with it. Of course the deletion has to be synced to all remote-copies and probably also forwarded to older backups but once such a mechanism is implemented it should do the actual delete within a day... There are even universities that decided against a new tape-library and in favor of a big stack of disks for long-term backup because these where cheaper, similar reliable and much faster for restore. And they don't need a special tape-library-managing app to access the data, a file-browser or the command-line is enough... Have fun, Arnold

I'm turning on my computer several times a day and my drives get broken after 2 years

On Friday, December 17, 2010 05:32:43 am Ralf Mardorf did opine: I don't recall using the word hammer without the rubber prefix.

That really is extreme, although I do have an old Maxtor 7120S that needs a pretty good bump to get it started. Once running, it has no bad sectors yet. The idea is that you give the drive a good bump, with the ball of your hand, or a small rubber hammer, striking the corner of the case so that the drives case is spun a few degrees in the same plane the disks inside turn. This breaks the heads loose from the disks, which have become so polished that they stick to the disk like a set of machinists 'Joes Blocks' which are so highly polished that one can bring them together in whatever thickness you need to set a gage with, by twisting them. They will remain stuck together until you twist them again breaking the atomic bond. If the drives case, and the heads attached to it, can be given enough of a twisting motion relative to the disks, by a sideways blow on the corner of the case, the heads will come loose and the drive motor will then have enough power to get the disks started. The heads will be flying on a film of air, as they are designed to do, before the disks have turned half a turn. Soft wood might do as it would dent, cushioning the blow somewhat without damaging the case casting.

On Friday, December 17, 2010 05:15:04 am Philipp Überbacher did opine: [...] Some maybe. I have a 1Gb seacrate hawk I use on a TRS-80 Color Computer that is a good 15 years old, and I hooked up an old Quantum P40S beside it the other day that must be close to 18 years old. No bad sectors were found when I did a logical verify of the surface.

That seems to be a recipe for disaster. Will there be a working tape drive to read those old tapes in even 40 years?

Here, I use 4 1Tb drives as individual drives, 3 of which have individual installs on them, and the 4th is for amanda, doing nightly backups of whatever install I am running this year. With smartd running, I have been told far enough in advance of an impending drive failure that my email corpus has not been lost since early 2002. So have I observed. Twice that I know of at my former, and occasionally still, employers.

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 05:30 -0500, gene heskett wrote: Ok, my 40MB SCSI Seagate for the Atari is ok for more than 20 years, heavy usage, several startups a day. Sometimes I need to start it 2 or 3 times, but than it's ok. For analog tapes Dirk Brauner had Telefunken machines that are as old as you are and they were better than a lot of modern machines ;).

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 05:57 -0500, gene heskett wrote: I corrected myself, it's just because you're looking younger on your photos ;). Of cause, I guess the Telefunk - or was it AEG? - machines were without tubes. The magnetic tape head had visible slots.

Because the tapes were stored spooled to the end, there even was no audible crosstalk at the beginning of the recordings.

On Friday, December 17, 2010 06:13:53 am Ralf Mardorf did opine: Of course I do, that pic on my front page is 6 years old now. ;-) The first Telefunken wire, or tape machines I saw, were definitely tubes. And older types at that, 8 pin octal based stuff. Yes folks, I have been chasing electrons for a living for a long time. And TBT, my first experience with a wire machine was enough to break me of any further interest. No amount of level winding contraptions could stop the backlashes & broken wire. Not to mention the head wear rate was very high. At least we could get 200-400 hours out of the first tape heads if we fed then plastic tape. Wire, maybe 50 hours as the wire sawed them deeply in just a few hours. Print through was a real problem in the early years.

On Friday 17 December 2010 10:36:47 Philipp Überbacher wrote: If you want long-time storage of information, the only thing that has proven stable so far is (micro-)film or print to paper (with laser-printer).

Its no use when the tape holds the information for 80 years when the drives and connected hardware are obsolete and out-of-production after max of 20 years... Have fun, Arnold _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev

On 12/17/2010 10:36 AM, Philipp Überbacher wrote: I've been busy setting up a system where all the data on my machines are partly mirrored with each other and fully backed up to a home server (not much unlike what google offers, though I don't keep a mail server). There are two problems as I see it with this setup (other than working out the mirroring/backup system). The first is internet bandwidth. If you need more than one 100Mbit connection it can get a little expensive (it will propably be worth it in a couple of years, I think). The other is the risc of lightning. Better to have the backup/sync server at a remote location. For keeping stuff in the cloud (which solves a lot of problems), I would find it strange if not web hotels will try to compete with google, but using addon software with windows/ mac/ linux instead. In my mind all the prices for different services (apart from webpage hosting, perhaps) are still much too high. The value of diskspace is ridiculous with services like Dropbox and the like. For important backups, a smaller diskspace will suffice. For audio related projects, diskspace is kind of important to consider. Google can offer a priceless service up to a certain disksize. I would be prepared to pay for an "account" (not google), if I got just a little more for my money, which I'm sure will happen in the coming few years.

On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 05:44:12 pm Dan Kegel did opine: <harryhaaren(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes it is. Now, if we can just get a law that when I have pulled the msg to my machine, and issued the delete to the server, it truly was deleted, then they would need a search warrant to my machine in order to see yesterdays emails already pulled. The move has been to make the ISP's hold those supposedly deleted messages till the statutes run out, and TBT, there probably isn't an ISP on the planet with THAT much storage, not without treating it like an unfunded mandate. Which it sure is.

On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 02:47 +0000, Harry Van Haaren wrote: An evasive answer: For a while I used OpenPGP for emails ;). Perhaps all autistics and savants able to do prime factorization are only working for Google and no other provider or even intelligence services :D.

Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few years. I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, that one of the conditions of his release was that the next generation of pgp had a back door.

Fons, no dis-respect intended, but I was there, observing closely, sitting behind the keyboard of a full house supercharged amiga back in those years. He did do 2 or 3 years.  Don't forget, this is a prime example of that old saw about history being written by the winners, so the whole thing may have been white washed to a high polish by now.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:51:20 -0500 Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:42 PM, gene heskett <gheskett(a)wdtv.com>

They seem to have wiped my memory as well. Also, I was under the impression his first name was Phil, not Pete.

You can't remember it, because they cleaned your memory at Gitmo ;). Anyway, are you able to prove that Gene is mistaken, regarding to his 'paranoia'?

On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 07:41 +0000, Folderol wrote: The ICD-10 still knows a 'rather schizotypal' paranoia by F22.0, still more, but an averaged neurotic paranoia, but near to it, but DSM-IV seems not to know something near to a neurotic paranoia, but the paranoid personality disorder only, something different to an averaged more neurotic paranoia. Too funny, perhaps ICD-10 F22.0 might be near to what we are talking about, still a little bit harder, so yes, by giving us reasons to feel persecuted, they cured persecution complex / mania, resp. this neurosis. On the quick I couldn't find any official classification about this kind of paranoia we're talking about *lol*. We just could say somebody might have an accentuation of a paranoid personality disorder or something similar. Google or the governments cured paranoia ;), unfortunately by giving us reasons to fear. Nice statement Fons :).

Cheers! Ralf

if so, they appear to have wiped google (and wikipedia) clean too. there is no record that i can find of zimmerman ever spending time in prison for PGP.

Fons, no dis-respect intended, but I was there, observing closely, sitting behind the keyboard of a full house supercharged amiga back in those years. He did do 2 or 3 years.

From a quick scan of the web, it seems PZ did do jail briefly, but it

On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 17:42 -0500, gene heskett wrote: People who put their telephone handset into a thingy to be able to do data telecommunication, before there was the Internet for public, tend to be more sceptic/paranoid than youngsters ;).

The reason for this is, that at that time, we might be hackers our self. I guess we can't compare the easy hacking that was possible at C64 times (or Amiga ;), with today data protection :D.

1802 CPU fan here too. Mine was RCA COSMAC VIP 1802. Added 3 channel sound (Famous G.I. AY3- chip) and  colour graphics with T.I. 9918 chip, after read Circuit Cellar article on it. Oh what fun...

Aaaaaaaaaaargh, I had an amp from an established company, can't remember this company, everything was connected by wire-wrapping, so indeed a good discrete circuit, but the wire-wrapping did cause defects. Btw. I prefer good old leaded solder, but leaded solder in Germany isn't allowed anymore. We should start to wire-wrap all electronic devices for our politicians here :p.

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 00:11 +0100, David Olofson wrote: good gas tight join

Are you sure you cannot get leaded solder?

On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 14:25 -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaargh, I had an amp from an established company, can't remember this company, everything was connected by wire-wrapping, so indeed a good discrete circuit, but the wire-wrapping did cause defects. Btw. I prefer good old leaded solder, but leaded solder in Germany isn't allowed anymore. We should start to wire-wrap all electronic devices for our politicians here :p. Cheers! Ralf

Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few years. I have often said, and have been called the uber paranoid for it, that one of the conditions of his release was that the next generation of pgp had a back door.

On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! :-D i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have solved the entire problem space years ago" :)

On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: as they say, paranoia doesn't mean they're not after you! :-D i think this problem is mitigated somewhat by using open protocols with open crypto implementations that have undergone public scrutiny. unless you want to believe that "the NSA has quantum computers anyway and have solved the entire problem space years ago" :)

On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 19:56 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: There still is a much easier way to decrypt mails. I'm not talking about a completely encrypted hard disk. Get the non-public, private key. Is this key saved in a file on a computer that is connected to the web, e.g. for usage directly with your mail client? Hack the firewall and get that key or burglarise the flat to get access to the non-public, private key.

While it isn't easy to hack a good protected Linux, it's relative easy to hack an online audio workstation as mine, no firewall, no AppAmor etc. ;).

...or the FBI just *said* they couldn't do it, to lull us all into a false sense of security.

On Wednesday 15 December 2010 21:50:19 David Olofson wrote: Lets take a rational view:

On Wednesday 15 December 2010 21:50:19 David Olofson wrote: Lets take a rational view: Most probably that hard-disk was connected with crime. And as it was Mexico, it would most probably be drugs. If they really did manage to break the encryption, someone in the chain would have said something about "thanks to the fbi we know from that hard-disk"... Staying rational, I don't think fbi/nsa/cia have enough money to fund years of research for quantum computing, producing working results capable of cracking todays hardest encryptions and not have anyone talk.

Not that it wouldn't be possible given enough money, I just don't think they would have managed to spent enough money on this. If you speak German, read the blog from udo vetter (lawblog.de) and watch his talk on the ccc-congress where he (and several people from the audience) gave every-day testimonials of encrypted hard-discs where law-enforcement didn't get any valid data from.

Have fun, Arnold

On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 05:51:45 pm Jörn Nettingsmeier did opine: Not NASA, FBI. There are reports of 2 or 3 guys witnessing their machinery busting a post 2.6.2a PGP's key in 30 seconds. No clue if that passes the snope's sniff test or not, could be nothing more than propaganda to discourage its use too. It is still a problem for some methods though, just look at all the hoorah about R.I.M. a few months ago, and I doubt their encryption is even equal to a 256 bit PGP key.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:14 AM, gene heskett <gheskett(a)wdtv.com> wrote: Wrong also: Q: I heard a rumor that you cut a deal with the US Government to put a back door in PGP in order to not be prosecuted for publishing PGP. Is this true? Come on, you can tell me, I won't tell anyone, I promise. A: You heard wrong. No, I didn't cut any deals, and would not have done so even if it was the only way to stay out of prison. But I didn't have to negotiate with them at all. After a three year criminal investigation, they did not indict me, because we beat them. This is from his own website: http://www.philzimmermann.com/EN/faq/index.html paranoia will only get you so far gene :)

On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 19:45 -0500, gene heskett wrote: Ironically, if you had had your precious data in "the cloud" rather than on your own computer, this would not have happened. :-D [jma runs away and hides behind his mother]

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net>wrote;wrote: Anybody know of a public email provider that is better? Or more so: that can prove they are better? Open to suggestions :-) -Harry