Thanks paul, I have this problem once in a while as a die hard opensource fan I didn't go out and buy software for years now and - a point that even in the linux community many people don't seem to understand - not because I'm a cheap- skate or ex-w4r3z kid that doesn't understand how commercial sw production works (no that I would but I guess I get the overall picture) _but_ because also on an application level I want to have access to the sources, to tailor to my needs, to figure out inner workings without bothering tech support, to fix things. I had this discussion with a cycling74 employee recently explaining that I might buy max/msp but _not_ without sources, I'd sign their soul-demanding NDA, pay more - whatever to be able to change #define MAXINLETS 64 in any objects src to what I believe is needed ... I read: [very insightful posting snipped] make this a 'thinker-friendly' aswell (SCNR maybe it's because I'm .eu) cheers, x -- chris(a)lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.com)