28 Dec
2009
28 Dec
'09
12:57 p.m.
Hi all,
I'm a junior developer, interested in GUI developing (and looking for
a job hehe....)
I wanna put your attention to the state of audio application GUIs under Linux.
We have many toolkits to develop a GUI, but none that allows the user
to say: "Damn, that's cool!"
I mean, all of you know the LinuxDSP audio plugins, they have a GUI
that cause a "Damn, that's cool!" but that isn't free software.
Another example is libphat, but it's all but a "Damn, it's cool".
What i mean is: is there anyone interested in writing a simple set of
audio widget that will be:
Simple, Good Looking, Skinable?
I'm interested, if there's anyone, let me know. I'm free to talk about it.
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28 Dec
28 Dec
1:47 p.m.
Carlo Ascani <carlo.ratm(a)gmail.com> writes:
What i mean is: is there anyone interested in writing
a simple set of
audio widget that will be:
Simple, Good Looking, Skinable?
Please add "accessible" to your list of requirements to not leave
disabled people who require assistive technologies behind, thanks.
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3:35 p.m.
Carlo Ascani wrote:
Hi all,
I'm a junior developer, interested in GUI developing (and looking for
a job hehe....)
I wanna put your attention to the state of audio application GUIs under Linux.
We have many toolkits to develop a GUI, but none that allows the user
to say: "Damn, that's cool!"
I mean, all of you know the LinuxDSP audio plugins, they have a GUI
that cause a "Damn, that's cool!" but that isn't free software.
Another example is libphat, but it's all but a "Damn, it's cool".
What i mean is: is there anyone interested in writing a simple set of
audio widget that will be:
Simple, Good Looking, Skinable?
I'm interested, if there's anyone, let me know. I'm free to talk about it.
I disagree. I like a clean style, e.g. the one of Qtractor much more
than flashy designs, because I can rule it's look. Whereas I do agree,
that a call for more desktop environment themes is something we need. It
would be good, if we could choose different themes for different
applications. Even if I'm not a fan of applications that ignore the
theme I chose, at the moment I'm glad that some do, because different
outfits make it easy to discern different apps, with similar
functionality. To be honest, I like the look of some apps that come with
their own style, but on the whole, clean themes taken over from the
desktop environment's theme will avoid that the display looks like a
funfair, with it's grotesque sensory overload.
2 cents,
Ralf
4:11 p.m.
2009/12/28 Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net>et>:
I disagree. I like a clean style, e.g. the one of
Qtractor much more than
flashy designs, because I can rule it's look. Whereas I do agree, that a
call for more desktop environment themes is something we need. It would be
good, if we could choose different themes for different applications. Even
if I'm not a fan of applications that ignore the theme I chose, at the
moment I'm glad that some do, because different outfits make it easy to
discern different apps, with similar functionality. To be honest, I like the
look of some apps that come with their own style, but on the whole, clean
themes taken over from the desktop environment's theme will avoid that the
display looks like a funfair, with it's grotesque sensory overload.
2 cents,
Ralf
Ok it could be true, forget about flashy GUIs, for a moment.
I feel the absence of a solid Audio Widget Library, it doesn't mind if
it's in Gtk, Qt, EFL, skinable, fancy etc...
A library that provides 4 or 5 controls but solid like a rock and of
course accessible.
A knob, a slider, a vumeter, a toggle button. All packaged in a
library, to be a point to start for junior devs like me.
Not a library for a specific application, a general library to
provides that simple controls.
I know that libphat exists, but i've found it weird, i'm sorry.
If someone knows some library or want to write a new one is welcome, i
will help as much as possible.
Cheers
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6:04 p.m.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:11:44PM +0100, Carlo Ascani wrote:
A library that provides 4 or 5 controls but solid like
a rock and of
course accessible.
Ah, libprolooks. I guess it could use some updates from CALF again, so
try to get hold of hansfbaier or kfoltman (both hang around in #lad on
freenode)
A knob, a slider, a vumeter, a toggle button. All
packaged in a
I agree with almost everything except the vumeter. They are for analog
equipment, but we're talking digital domain here.
The usual criticism applies: unclear headroom, something like 50% of the
meter for the upmost 3dB, multiple definitions for the needle's attack
and release, just to name a few.
VUmeters are no more than eye candy, if possible, stick to digital bar
meters. It's also worth to have a look at the K metering system, i.e.
K14, K12 and K10.
Unlike Ralf, I support the idea of an inspiring GUI. It's sometimes half
of the creative process to have a GUI which invites you to play around
as long as usability isn't completely ruined.
Also note that sampo is working on some GUI stuff, too, so you could
jump that band waggon:
http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/compressor-plugin-gui/
More links for your convenience:
Old calf: http://calf.sourceforge.net/?id=4
libprolooks: http://www.hansfbaier.de/wordpress/libprolooks/
(GUI extracted from old calf)
New calf: http://foltman.com/Deesser.png
Especially the last one looks pretty decent to me.
HTH
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7:20 p.m.
Excerpts from Adrian Knoth's message of Mon Dec 28 23:04:32 +0100 2009:
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:11:44PM +0100, Carlo Ascani
wrote:
For a nice implementation of that, have a look at jkmeters
http://kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/downloads/index.html
It would be nice if more apps used them where they make sense.
The idea seems to be from Bob Katz.
Basically they are a peak and a rms meter in one, supposed to be used
with a calibrated monitoring system. You can find some explanation on
Bob Katzs website.
Regards,
Philipp
A library that provides 4 or 5 controls but solid
like a rock and of
course accessible.
Ah, libprolooks. I guess it could use some updates from CALF again, so
try to get hold of hansfbaier or kfoltman (both hang around in #lad on
freenode)
A knob, a slider, a vumeter, a toggle button. All
packaged in a
I agree with almost everything except the vumeter. They are for analog
equipment, but we're talking digital domain here.
The usual criticism applies: unclear headroom, something like 50% of the
meter for the upmost 3dB, multiple definitions for the needle's attack
and release, just to name a few.
VUmeters are no more than eye candy, if possible, stick to digital bar
meters. It's also worth to have a look at the K metering system, i.e.
K14, K12 and K10. 
29 Dec
29 Dec
3:28 a.m.
Just to add a little more agreement to the original poster, the debate is
not about "clear" interfaces
and "funfair". Unfortunately, most of the time Linux audio apps have not
"clear" style, but "standard
button/standard slider" style. It has nothing to do with being "clear" as
one can make a confusing interface
even with those.
At the same time having beautifully drawn knobs and sliders and graphs is
important to me as a musician
since it indeed adds to your inspiration. Working with tools which look more
like some open office spreadsheet
dialogues is not too much fun.
Qtractor looks cool, but Qtractor has a mixer and colorful wave tracks. It
does add a bit to the cheerfulness and
coolness.
Louigi Verona.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Philipp Überbacher
<hollunder(a)lavabit.com>wrote;wrote:
Excerpts from Adrian Knoth's message of Mon Dec 28
23:04:32 +0100 2009:
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:11:44PM +0100, Carlo
Ascani wrote:
For a nice implementation of that, have a look at jkmeters
http://kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/downloads/index.html
It would be nice if more apps used them where they make sense.
The idea seems to be from Bob Katz.
Basically they are a peak and a rms meter in one, supposed to be used
with a calibrated monitoring system. You can find some explanation on
Bob Katzs website.
Regards,
Philipp
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A library that provides 4 or 5 controls but solid
like a rock and of
course accessible.
Ah, libprolooks. I guess it could use some updates from CALF again, so
try to get hold of hansfbaier or kfoltman (both hang around in #lad on
freenode)
A knob, a slider, a vumeter, a toggle button. All
packaged in a
I agree with almost everything except the vumeter. They are for analog
equipment, but we're talking digital domain here.
The usual criticism applies: unclear headroom, something like 50% of the
meter for the upmost 3dB, multiple definitions for the needle's attack
and release, just to name a few.
VUmeters are no more than eye candy, if possible, stick to digital bar
meters. It's also worth to have a look at the K metering system, i.e.
K14, K12 and K10. 
28 Dec
28 Dec
6:12 p.m.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Carlo Ascani <carlo.ratm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I feel the absence of a solid Audio Widget Library, it
doesn't mind if
it's in Gtk, Qt, EFL, skinable, fancy etc...
A library that provides 4 or 5 controls but solid like a rock and of
course accessible.
A knob, a slider, a vumeter, a toggle button. All packaged in a
library, to be a point to start for junior devs like me.
Not a library for a specific application, a general library to
provides that simple controls.
I know that libphat exists, but i've found it weird, i'm sorry.
If someone knows some library or want to write a new one is welcome, i
will help as much as possible.
I'd love to know what's weird about libphat :) Crappy yes, weird,
well, maybe. If you'd like to contribute to / totally change direction
of / revive from the dead phat i'd totally approve. I haven't had any
time for it for years, as i stopped using any of the apps that
actually used it. I'm keen to help with any of your ideas and there is
a few bits of good code there.
Advice thought:
Try and have a specific app that you use and want to make better. It's
a much more effective idea that making something totally generic.
After you make one app better, expand from there.
Loki
7:08 p.m.
Loki Davison wrote:
I'd love to know what's weird about libphat :)
Crappy yes, weird,
well, maybe. If you'd like to contribute to / totally change direction
of / revive from the dead phat i'd totally approve.
If noone else is interested in picking up libphat I'm willing to
do so. I have a bit of a history of maintaining libraries that
end up being bedrock parts of the linux audio scene.
Advice thought:
Try and have a specific app that you use and want to make better. It's
a much more effective idea that making something totally generic.
After you make one app better, expand from there.
Totally agree. Good advice.
Erik
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6:30 p.m.
2009/12/29 Carlo Ascani <carlo.ratm(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi all,
I'm a junior developer, interested in GUI developing (and looking for
a job hehe....)
I wanna put your attention to the state of audio application GUIs under Linux.
We have many toolkits to develop a GUI, but none that allows the user
to say: "Damn, that's cool!"
I mean, all of you know the LinuxDSP audio plugins, they have a GUI
that cause a "Damn, that's cool!" but that isn't free software.
Another example is libphat, but it's all but a "Damn, it's cool".
What i mean is: is there anyone interested in writing a simple set of
audio widget that will be:
Simple, Good Looking, Skinable?
I'm interested, if there's anyone, let me know. I'm free to talk about it.
Or instead of doing it ground up, maybe you could try cook something
up with either/both of:
http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce.php
http://www.libnui.net/
Juce has options to use native windecs, so I can't really say what is
it that keeps developers away.
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