21 Sep
2009
21 Sep
'09
4:35 p.m.
Hi,
On the LAU list we were discussing the possibilities of audio synthesis
environments as plugins.
" [LAU] From audio synthesis environment to plugin"
Pd, SC and Csound give so much possibilities when it comes to
instruments and effects. Wouldn't it be cool if Linux audio users could
easily use some code/patches as plugins? I imagine, someone makes a cool
synth 'patch' which you can easily use within a 'plugin interface'. So
without knowing how to code in SuperCollider for example, you can
benefit from patches of others, which you can easily use as plugin
(or 'jack application').
If there is such a 'plugin interface' and people start sharing
'plugins', this could make Linux more useful for Music Production. It
also could fill the gap of not having a lot commercial VST plugins for
Linux imho.
Of course I'm not the first with this idea and there are some solutions
or suggestions already. I'll try to give a list.... (of course I could
miss some options)
-------------
*Csound:*
CSoundLADSPA:
http://www.csounds.com/journal/issue6/csLADSPA.html
CSoundVST:
http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/CommandCsoundVST.html (Windows, but
also possible to build as native Linux plugin, recently).
-------------------
*Pd:*
http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~jsarlo/pdvst/ (only Windows afaik)
-------------------
*
SuperCollider:*
SC comes with a SuperColliderAU.component (Mac only)
Here are some possibilities listed (Faust for example):
http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Systems_interfacing_wit…
Java bindings -> http://www.erase.net/projects/p5_sc/ and jvst ->
http://jvstwrapper.sourceforge.net/
----------------------
So it seems that CSound already has an solution for GNU/Linux. But Pd
and SC only seems to have solutions for either Windows or Mac.
It would be great and good for Linux audio imho if we could use Pd and
SC patches as plugins on GNU/Linux. And to make them popular and have as
much sharing of plugins between users as possible, a crossplatform
solution might be the best bet.
I'm not a developer, so I can't tell how good my ideas and suggestions
are. I also don't know if I see clear when I see these opportunities.
That's why I mail it to this list, so experts can tell.
Maybe one or more developers likes the idea and also sees these
opportunities and are capable of setting plans and ideas into something
practical...
Thanks in advance,
\rooz
21 Sep
21 Sep
5:57 p.m.
I suppose by virtue of Jack, it's possible to run SC, PD, Csound or anything
jackable as a separate process, and pretend it is a plugin to things like
Ardour.
Victor
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From: "rosea grammostola" <rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com>
To: "Linux Audio Developers" <Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org>
Cc: "Atte André Jensen" <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 7:33 PM
Subject: [LAD] Pd, Csound and SuperCollider code as plugin
Hi,
On the LAU list we were discussing the possibilities of audio synthesis
environments as plugins.
" [LAU] From audio synthesis environment to plugin"
Pd, SC and Csound give so much possibilities when it comes to
instruments and effects. Wouldn't it be cool if Linux audio users could
easily use some code/patches as plugins? I imagine, someone makes a cool
synth 'patch' which you can easily use within a 'plugin interface'. So
without knowing how to code in SuperCollider for example, you can
benefit from patches of others, which you can easily use as plugin
(or 'jack application').
If there is such a 'plugin interface' and people start sharing
'plugins', this could make Linux more useful for Music Production. It
also could fill the gap of not having a lot commercial VST plugins for
Linux imho.
Of course I'm not the first with this idea and there are some solutions
or suggestions already. I'll try to give a list.... (of course I could
miss some options)
-------------
*Csound:*
CSoundLADSPA:
http://www.csounds.com/journal/issue6/csLADSPA.html
CSoundVST:
http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/CommandCsoundVST.html (Windows, but
also possible to build as native Linux plugin, recently).
-------------------
*Pd:*
http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~jsarlo/pdvst/ (only Windows afaik)
-------------------
*
SuperCollider:*
SC comes with a SuperColliderAU.component (Mac only)
Here are some possibilities listed (Faust for example):
http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Systems_interfacing_wit…
Java bindings -> http://www.erase.net/projects/p5_sc/ and jvst ->
http://jvstwrapper.sourceforge.net/
----------------------
So it seems that CSound already has an solution for GNU/Linux. But Pd
and SC only seems to have solutions for either Windows or Mac.
It would be great and good for Linux audio imho if we could use Pd and
SC patches as plugins on GNU/Linux. And to make them popular and have as
much sharing of plugins between users as possible, a crossplatform
solution might be the best bet.
I'm not a developer, so I can't tell how good my ideas and suggestions
are. I also don't know if I see clear when I see these opportunities.
That's why I mail it to this list, so experts can tell.
Maybe one or more developers likes the idea and also sees these
opportunities and are capable of setting plans and ideas into something
practical...
Thanks in advance,
\rooz
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22 Sep
22 Sep
7:01 a.m.
victor wrote:
I suppose by virtue of Jack, it's possible to run
SC, PD, Csound or anything
jackable as a separate process, and pretend it is a plugin to things like
Ardour.
Of course that is possible, and a fine thing. But some people wants to
make music, not instruments...
Of course it's better if you learn the whole language, but not everyone
wants that, have the time or capacity for it.
So such a plugin interface should make it more easy for just musicians
to make use of the intstruments and effects in Pd, Csound or SC.
I also can imagine such a thing would be good for projects like Ardour.
For some people the lack of commercial VST plugins is a reason not to
use Linux. You may fill that gap by having some pretty cool and easy to
use SC or Pd plugins.
Regards,
\r
8:36 a.m.
2009/9/22 rosea grammostola <rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com>om>:
victor wrote:
If anybody wants to bridge any of these languages/environments to LV2,
please tell me.
I suppose by virtue of Jack, it's possible to
run SC, PD, Csound or anything
jackable as a separate process, and pretend it is a plugin to things like
Ardour.
Of course that is possible, and a fine thing. But some people wants to
make music, not instruments...
Of course it's better if you learn the whole language, but not everyone
wants that, have the time or capacity for it.
So such a plugin interface should make it more easy for just musicians
to make use of the intstruments and effects in Pd, Csound or SC.
I also can imagine such a thing would be good for projects like Ardour.
For some people the lack of commercial VST plugins is a reason not to
use Linux. You may fill that gap by having some pretty cool and easy to
use SC or Pd plugins. Regards,
\r
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23 Sep
23 Sep
11:16 a.m.
Well, there is a LADSPA plugin generator that uses Csound. I suppose it
can serve the basis for a LV2 version, if anyone has the time to write
it...
Victor
On 22 Sep 2009, at 11:36, Stefano D'Angelo wrote:
2009/9/22 rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com>om>:
victor wrote:
If anybody wants to bridge any of these languages/environments to LV2,
please tell me.
I suppose by virtue of Jack, it's possible to
run SC, PD, Csound
or anything
jackable as a separate process, and pretend it is a plugin to
things like
Ardour.
Of course that is possible, and a fine thing. But some people wants
to
make music, not instruments...
Of course it's better if you learn the whole language, but not
everyone
wants that, have the time or capacity for it.
So such a plugin interface should make it more easy for just
musicians
to make use of the intstruments and effects in Pd, Csound or SC.
I also can imagine such a thing would be good for projects like
Ardour.
For some people the lack of commercial VST plugins is a reason not to
use Linux. You may fill that gap by having some pretty cool and
easy to
use SC or Pd plugins. Regards,
\r
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11:45 a.m.
2009/9/23 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini(a)nuim.ie>ie>:
Well, there is a LADSPA plugin generator that uses
Csound. I suppose it
can serve the basis for a LV2 version, if anyone has the time to write it...
IIRC, CSound can be embedded in another application, so maybe it makes
sense to write a "regular" automagical CSound->LV2 bridge (Disclaimer:
I've never used CSound myself, so what I'm saying may very well make
no sense at all).
Stefano
Victor
On 22 Sep 2009, at 11:36, Stefano D'Angelo wrote:
2009/9/22 rosea grammostola
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com>om>:
victor wrote:
If anybody wants to bridge any of these languages/environments to LV2,
please tell me.
I suppose by virtue of Jack, it's possible to run SC, PD, Csound or
anything
jackable as a separate process, and pretend it is a plugin to things
like
Ardour.
Of course that is possible, and a fine thing. But some people wants to
make music, not instruments...
Of course it's better if you learn the whole language, but not everyone
wants that, have the time or capacity for it.
So such a plugin interface should make it more easy for just musicians
to make use of the intstruments and effects in Pd, Csound or SC.
I also can imagine such a thing would be good for projects like Ardour.
For some people the lack of commercial VST plugins is a reason not to
use Linux. You may fill that gap by having some pretty cool and easy to
use SC or Pd plugins. Regards,
\r
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26 Sep
26 Sep
1:24 p.m.
Stefano D'Angelo wrote:
2009/9/23 Victor Lazzarini
<Victor.Lazzarini(a)nuim.ie>ie>:
Take a look at naspro:
quote=Stefano
"it is the only project afaik implementing lv2 dynmanifests on the
plugin side, so... at least you have the infrastructure working and good
examples to steal code from (ladspa, dssi, native vst soon)"
\r
Well, there is a LADSPA plugin generator that
uses Csound. I suppose it
can serve the basis for a LV2 version, if anyone has the time to write it...
IIRC, CSound can be embedded in another application, so maybe it makes
sense to write a "regular" automagical CSound->LV2 bridge (Disclaimer:
I've never used CSound myself, so what I'm saying may very well make
no sense at all).
21 Sep
21 Sep
6:22 p.m.
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:33:49 +0200
rosea grammostola <rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On the LAU list we were discussing the possibilities of audio
synthesis environments as plugins.
" [LAU] From audio synthesis environment to plugin"
Pd, SC and Csound give so much possibilities when it comes to
instruments and effects. Wouldn't it be cool if Linux audio users
could easily use some code/patches as plugins? I imagine, someone
makes a cool synth 'patch' which you can easily use within a 'plugin
interface'. So without knowing how to code in SuperCollider for
example, you can benefit from patches of others, which you can easily
use as plugin (or 'jack application').
If there is such a 'plugin interface' and people start sharing
'plugins', this could make Linux more useful for Music Production. It
also could fill the gap of not having a lot commercial VST plugins
for Linux imho.
Of course I'm not the first with this idea and there are some
solutions or suggestions already. I'll try to give a list.... (of
course I could miss some options)
-------------
*Csound:*
CSoundLADSPA:
http://www.csounds.com/journal/issue6/csLADSPA.html
CSoundVST:
http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/CommandCsoundVST.html (Windows,
but also possible to build as native Linux plugin, recently).
-------------------
*Pd:*
http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~jsarlo/pdvst/ (only Windows afaik)
-------------------
*
SuperCollider:*
SC comes with a SuperColliderAU.component (Mac only)
Here are some possibilities listed (Faust for example):
http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Systems_interfacing_wit…
Java bindings -> http://www.erase.net/projects/p5_sc/ and jvst ->
http://jvstwrapper.sourceforge.net/
----------------------
So it seems that CSound already has an solution for GNU/Linux. But Pd
and SC only seems to have solutions for either Windows or Mac.
It would be great and good for Linux audio imho if we could use Pd
and SC patches as plugins on GNU/Linux. And to make them popular and
have as much sharing of plugins between users as possible, a
crossplatform solution might be the best bet.
I'm not a developer, so I can't tell how good my ideas and
suggestions are. I also don't know if I see clear when I see these
opportunities. That's why I mail it to this list, so experts can tell.
Maybe one or more developers likes the idea and also sees these
opportunities and are capable of setting plans and ideas into
something practical...
Thanks in advance,
\rooz
Why have you left out faust? It apparently can compile to: jack, alsa,
ladspa, Q, super collider, oss, sndfile
I only know half of those but Jack and ladspa is pretty much all you
need imho.
Now I do have issues with the css on: http://faust.grame.fr/catalog.php.
The example clients don't work because I don't have libglitz.so.1.
I couldn't download the papers, either because of some restructuring
on the site(from what I could tell with my lousy french) or because it
requires flash.
And I haven't found any contact besides some mail address.
So the website seems to be a bit of a fail, but the language seems
capable.
Philipp
22 Sep
22 Sep
9:27 p.m.
<hollunder(a)gmx.at> writes:
Why have you left out faust?
Ingen was also left out, which really has a goal of being able to be run
as an LV2 plugin.
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23 Sep
23 Sep
2:23 a.m.
Am Montag, den 21.09.2009, 22:22 +0200 schrieb hollunder(a)gmx.at:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:33:49 +0200
rosea grammostola <rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
Here it works like a charm, no prob to use the online compiler, watch
the C++ source or/and download the exec file.
I didn't have libglitz.so installed.
If you like to contact Yann Orlary, there is a active Mailing list on
SourceForge
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=faudiostream-devel
hermann
Hi,
On the LAU list we were discussing the possibilities of audio
synthesis environments as plugins.
" [LAU] From audio synthesis environment to plugin"
Pd, SC and Csound give so much possibilities when it comes to
instruments and effects. Wouldn't it be cool if Linux audio users
could easily use some code/patches as plugins? I imagine, someone
makes a cool synth 'patch' which you can easily use within a 'plugin
interface'. So without knowing how to code in SuperCollider for
example, you can benefit from patches of others, which you can easily
use as plugin (or 'jack application').
If there is such a 'plugin interface' and people start sharing
'plugins', this could make Linux more useful for Music Production. It
also could fill the gap of not having a lot commercial VST plugins
for Linux imho.
Of course I'm not the first with this idea and there are some
solutions or suggestions already. I'll try to give a list.... (of
course I could miss some options)
-------------
*Csound:*
CSoundLADSPA:
http://www.csounds.com/journal/issue6/csLADSPA.html
CSoundVST:
http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/CommandCsoundVST.html (Windows,
but also possible to build as native Linux plugin, recently).
-------------------
*Pd:*
http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~jsarlo/pdvst/ (only Windows afaik)
-------------------
*
SuperCollider:*
SC comes with a SuperColliderAU.component (Mac only)
Here are some possibilities listed (Faust for example):
http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Systems_interfacing_wit…
Java bindings -> http://www.erase.net/projects/p5_sc/ and jvst ->
http://jvstwrapper.sourceforge.net/
----------------------
So it seems that CSound already has an solution for GNU/Linux. But Pd
and SC only seems to have solutions for either Windows or Mac.
It would be great and good for Linux audio imho if we could use Pd
and SC patches as plugins on GNU/Linux. And to make them popular and
have as much sharing of plugins between users as possible, a
crossplatform solution might be the best bet.
I'm not a developer, so I can't tell how good my ideas and
suggestions are. I also don't know if I see clear when I see these
opportunities. That's why I mail it to this list, so experts can tell.
Maybe one or more developers likes the idea and also sees these
opportunities and are capable of setting plans and ideas into
something practical...
Thanks in advance,
\rooz
Why have you left out faust? It apparently can compile to: jack, alsa,
ladspa, Q, super collider, oss, sndfile
I only know half of those but Jack and ladspa is pretty much all you
need imho.
Now I do have issues with the css on: http://faust.grame.fr/catalog.php.
The example clients don't work because I don't have libglitz.so.1.
I couldn't download the papers, either because of some restructuring
on the site(from what I could tell with my lousy french) or because it
requires flash.
And I haven't found any contact besides some mail address.
So the website seems to be a bit of a fail, but the language seems
capable.
Philipp
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