Hey Dmitry, I'm planing to write a drum synth at some point in the very, very near future, for use in the progressive/tribal house and breaks stuff that i try and write. i'm thinking of trying to copy the Electron Machine drum http://www.machinedrum.com/ as much as possible. So implement everything Drumatic does as well as maybe some of the physical modeling stuff suggested on the BeatLAB board. So both roland style synth and physical. Well, i think physical is the best way to get the sound of different tribal drums, which are hard to find with samples. wine 20040309 works fine with Drumatic. though for some strange reason on my machine it seems to run better as a normal user rather than root... RANT TIME (to everyone but dmitry ;). Everytime i talk about a drum synth people point me to a sampler. i think i've worked out what a sampler is for by now or they point me to a modular. Samplers are wonderful but for drums i want both because some flexibility is really nice, i.e being able to change decay and tone just on the fly and tell how it sound with the other elements of the track or slowly change aspects of the drums duing the track, like in Sultan or GPal's tracks. Really i've tried drums in SSM, etc however it's just not quite as useful as a TR808 or drumatic. A) it doesn't sound good B) horrible UI and C) doesn't run too well on my machine (650mhz P3 laptop) Is anybody who writes the great collection of modulars keen on coding a useful synth in one of them? Something along the lines of an Access virus or JP8080 might be handy. Also a bass synth of some discription might be nice too. This is my first ever post to the mailing list because i don't usually like mailing lists much, i can always be found on IRC for more discussion :-) Just thought i should join in on this one, at last talk of a drum synth!! ;-) Loki ---------- Fall in love with everything, fall in love with life, fall in love with music and you will get by.