10 Nov
2010
10 Nov
'10
4:17 a.m.
Hi all,
I understand that a lot of you develop for free software and are
passionate at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you
do for a living? Are you a student? Do you do software development
just as a hobby, or do you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
The reason I ask this is because I am curious about what kind of
backgrounds a free software developer has. As for me, I am a student
majoring in Music and minoring in Computer Science. I got the idea of
writing this email, actually, because Google had an internship panel at
my school. Google just loooooves open source and those involved. It
sounds like Google has quite a friendly and cooperative working
atmosphere, and they treat their employees very well. Yeah, I'd like to
work for Google, but who doesn't right? :)
-Kris
10 Nov
10 Nov
9:31 p.m.
Excerpts from Kris C's message of 2010-11-10 04:17:24 +0100:
Hi all,
I understand that a lot of you develop for free software and are
passionate at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you
do for a living? Are you a student? Do you do software development
just as a hobby, or do you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
The reason I ask this is because I am curious about what kind of
backgrounds a free software developer has. As for me, I am a student
majoring in Music and minoring in Computer Science. I got the idea of
writing this email, actually, because Google had an internship panel at
my school. Google just loooooves open source and those involved. It
sounds like Google has quite a friendly and cooperative working
atmosphere, and they treat their employees very well. Yeah, I'd like to
work for Google, but who doesn't right? :)
-Kris
Well, I don't :)
I'm not much of a developer and just started to study computing
sciences. I hope to be able to make a decent living as a software
developer at some point, but it's not about the money, obviously,
otherwise I'd study something else. Sure it would be nice to do
something music related, but I think its hard to make a living of it.
9:52 p.m.
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 21:31 +0100, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
Excerpts from Kris C's message of 2010-11-10
04:17:24 +0100:
Never ever I would work for Google :)
it's true, among other things they created an atmosphere that please the
needs of highly gifted people and it's no fun to work in an 'averaged'
atmosphere when you aren't 'normal'. Indeed a 'subtle' trick to catch
'unwanted' people.
OTOH it's your choice to shit on ethics ;), because Google shits on
ethics.
I very often have less to eat, just worn out clothes etc. and need to do
work in an atmosphere for idiots, but for people with an IQ ex 130. Who
cares?
This planet is overcrowded, so we don't need to have children, hence we
don't need to have a fix, regular income.
2 Cents,
Ralf
Hi all,
I understand that a lot of you develop for free software and are
passionate at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you
do for a living? Are you a student? Do you do software development
just as a hobby, or do you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
The reason I ask this is because I am curious about what kind of
backgrounds a free software developer has. As for me, I am a student
majoring in Music and minoring in Computer Science. I got the idea of
writing this email, actually, because Google had an internship panel at
my school. Google just loooooves open source and those involved. It
sounds like Google has quite a friendly and cooperative working
atmosphere, and they treat their employees very well. Yeah, I'd like to
work for Google, but who doesn't right? :)
-Kris
Well, I don't :)
I'm not much of a developer and just started to study computing
sciences. I hope to be able to make a decent living as a software
developer at some point, but it's not about the money, obviously,
otherwise I'd study something else. Sure it would be nice to do
something music related, but I think its hard to make a living of it. 
25 Nov
25 Nov
1:19 p.m.
Hi everyone,
sorry, I'm a bit late here, but I wanted to answer on this thread.
On 11/10/2010 09:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I recently met someone who worked at Google and she said that she indeed had a
lot of freedom, and could choose the projects she worked on. For what it's worth..
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 21:31 +0100, Philipp Überbacher
wrote:
> The reason
I ask this is because I am curious about what kind of
> backgrounds a free software developer has. As for me, I am a student
> majoring in Music and minoring in Computer Science. I got the idea of
> writing this email, actually, because Google had an internship panel at
> my school. Google just loooooves open source and those involved. It
> sounds like Google has quite a friendly and cooperative working
> atmosphere, and they treat their employees very well. Yeah, I'd like to
> work for Google, but who doesn't right? :)
>
it's true, among other things they created an atmosphere that please the
needs of highly gifted people and it's no fun to work in an 'averaged'
atmosphere when you aren't 'normal'. Indeed a 'subtle' trick to
catch
'unwanted' people. OTOH it's your choice to shit on ethics ;),
because Google shits on
ethics.
Well, ethics and big companies are maybe not the best friends. But Google
sometimes gets above the crowd, as recently in the suit against Oracle:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101111114933605
"Each of the Patents-in-Suit is invalid under 35 U.S.C. § 101 because one or
more claims are directed to abstract ideas or other non-statutory subject matter."
About myself, I have been self-employed for about 10 years, at my own little
company, which is mainly comprised of myself, a few interns from time to time,
and working with other small companies or freelances here in Paris.
I only do software development, and for a few years now I have mostly done audio
related development. And yes, it pays the bill.
I also do music and have quite a lot of artistic and not-so-artistic projects
maturating in the lab, which usually involve both music and software
development. Free software is everywhere here, it's my culture, but I'm no
fanatic. I think there's enough room in the world for other approaches, and that
it can all be complementary.
--
Olivier
2:58 p.m.
Hi all,
I also reply a little bit late, but indeed this thread is interesting.
On my side I have a master degree in acoustics and a professional background
in acoustics and audio signal processing.
I previously worked in a society which develops active control systems for
room acoustics.
Now I am real time software engineer at Aldebaran Robotics, a french company
based in Paris which develops Nao, the europe's first humanoid robot (
http://www.aldebaran-robotics.com)
Our robot runs under a linux embedded distribution, so I'm very interested
by the open source softwares and often use LGPL libraries inside of our
code.
I know that is not a commercial forum, but for those who would be
interested, we just launched the Nao developer program.
The aim is to constitute a community of top developers for the robot and to
share our developments.
You can find more informations about it here :
http://ognacgnouc.com/
This program is accessible only by invitation.
I have few ones to distribute, so if you are interested for joining us do
not hesitate to contact me.
Regards
Vincent
2010/11/25 Olivier Guilyardi <list(a)samalyse.com>
Hi everyone,
sorry, I'm a bit late here, but I wanted to answer on this thread.
On 11/10/2010 09:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I recently met someone who worked at Google and she said that she indeed
had a
lot of freedom, and could choose the projects she worked on. For what it's
worth..
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On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 21:31 +0100, Philipp
Überbacher wrote:
>> The reason I ask this is because I am
curious about what kind of
>> backgrounds a free software developer has. As for me, I am a student
>> majoring in Music and minoring in Computer Science. I got the idea of
>> writing this email, actually, because Google had an internship panel at
>> my school. Google just loooooves open source and those involved. It
>> sounds like Google has quite a friendly and cooperative working
>> atmosphere, and they treat their employees very well. Yeah, I'd like
to
> work
for Google, but who doesn't right? :)
>
it's true, among other things they created an atmosphere that please the
needs of highly gifted people and it's no fun to work in an 'averaged'
atmosphere when you aren't 'normal'. Indeed a 'subtle' trick to
catch
'unwanted' people. OTOH it's your choice to shit on ethics ;),
because Google shits on
ethics.
Well, ethics and big companies are maybe not the best friends. But Google
sometimes gets above the crowd, as recently in the suit against Oracle:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101111114933605
"Each of the Patents-in-Suit is invalid under 35 U.S.C. § 101 because one
or
more claims are directed to abstract ideas or other non-statutory subject
matter."
About myself, I have been self-employed for about 10 years, at my own
little
company, which is mainly comprised of myself, a few interns from time to
time,
and working with other small companies or freelances here in Paris.
I only do software development, and for a few years now I have mostly done
audio
related development. And yes, it pays the bill.
I also do music and have quite a lot of artistic and not-so-artistic
projects
maturating in the lab, which usually involve both music and software
development. Free software is everywhere here, it's my culture, but I'm no
fanatic. I think there's enough room in the world for other approaches, and
that
it can all be complementary.
--
Olivier
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10 Nov
10 Nov
10:55 p.m.
Kris C wrote:
I understand that a lot of you develop for free
software and are
passionate at what you do. But how do you pay the bills?
I'm a professional software engineer working for a small VC funded
startup that is has been breaking even for about a year now and
will hopefully take off really soon.
All the stuff I do is coded on and running on Linux. A large
chunk of the code is C++, with some C and another quite large
chunk of code being a bunch of small utilities written in
Ocaml.
In any given week I could be hacking on Linux device drivers,
writing networking code in C++ or writing utilities in Ocaml.
Yeah, I'd like to work for Google, but who
doesn't right? :)
Not me.
I've worked for large companies (SUN back in the early 2000s)
and small companies and I much prefer the small ones because
I get to do a wider range of stuff, there's far, far less
bureaucracy and the management structure is flatter.
Erik
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http://www.mega-nerd.com/
11 Nov
11 Nov
midnight
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:55:27AM +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
I've worked for large companies (SUN back in the
early 2000s)
and small companies and I much prefer the small ones because
I get to do a wider range of stuff, there's far, far less
bureaucracy and the management structure is flatter.
I've worked for some big ones and for startups. Fully agree about
the advantages of smaller companies. OTOH, the big ones can provide
you with things that a small company just can't afford. When I was
at Alcatel we routinely use laboratory instruments that would be
absolutely out of reach for a startup. And having those _does_ make
a difference. As do some other things, like e.g. just having to make
a phone call in order to obtain a copy of any research paper you'd
want to read (I'm missing that).
Ciao,
--
FA
There are three of them, and Alleline.
10 Nov
10 Nov
11:23 p.m.
Hi,
On Wednesday 10 November 2010 04:17:24 Kris C wrote:
I understand that a lot of you develop for free
software and are
passionate at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you
do for a living? Are you a student? Do you do software development
just as a hobby, or do you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
Many people on this list work "regular" jobs and only do audio programming for
fun in their free time.
Some (like me) also do programming in their job, some do music or music-
engineering for their job.
I think only a small fraction here does linux-audio-programming for a living,
but these exists!
The reason I ask this is because I am curious about
what kind of
backgrounds a free software developer has. As for me, I am a student
majoring in Music and minoring in Computer Science. I got the idea of
writing this email, actually, because Google had an internship panel at
my school. Google just loooooves open source and those involved. It
sounds like Google has quite a friendly and cooperative working
atmosphere, and they treat their employees very well. Yeah, I'd like to
work for Google, but who doesn't right? :)
I read some scary stories about the application process at google. Better
start your application now otherwise you might be unemployed for two years
before they finally hire you (or not).
But even if they aren't always the "good" (the cases where they where the
"bad" or the "ugly" are actually much less then with other big
it-firms), I
wouldn't reject working for them. It seems they offer a good working
environment. And some people do care about over-crowding our planet some more
and therefor have to pay bills;-)
Have fun,
Arnold
11 Nov
11 Nov
4:17 p.m.
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 23:23 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote:
And some people do care about over-crowding our planet
some more
and therefor have to pay bills;-)
;) Nice argumentation.
Btw. I'm not a FLOSS audio software coder anymore, but I was in the
90ies (never for Linux) and at this time I worked most of the times as
an video and audio engineer. Today I'm working for
http://www.terredeshommes.org/, no FLOSS programming anymore and no
audio engineering for money anymore.
People might have different reasons to switch to different jobs, when
they are getting old.
I guess thinking about working for Google or nor working for Google just
is a temporary issue, because aims in life etc. will change when getting
older and older.
+ 2 Cents,
Ralf
10 Nov
10 Nov
11:41 p.m.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Kris C <cpczk(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I understand that a lot of you develop for free
software and are passionate
at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you do for a living?
Are you a student? Do you do software development just as a hobby, or do
you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
I'm not an audio developer, but I kind of feel the need
to defend Google a bit.
I used to work fulltime developing software at Google.
It was a great place to work. Everyone I knew there was
dedicated to doing the right thing for the user...
when they mis-stepped, like when the initial Buzz privacy
settings were unpopular, they tried to set things right quickly.
The only way I can see them ever becoming evil is if
they're bought out by, say, Oracle. (And I fully expect some
people I knew in college now to come out and defend Oracle :-)
(I now work fulltime developing software at a startup. It's fun being
at a small company again, but I do miss the massages, at least a little.)
- Dan
11:43 p.m.
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 19:17 -0800, Kris C wrote:
Hi all,
I understand that a lot of you develop for free software and are
passionate at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you
do for a living? Are you a student? Do you do software development
just as a hobby, or do you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
Software development? As a full-time job? Never again!
I used to do web dev stuff, but the ridiculous hours started taking
their toll. I now work as a field service engineer for a radio
communications company, which involves everything from writing custom
firmware for Arduino-based control boards to drilling holes in huge
trucks to mount aerials for radio equipment!
Unlike in software development, when it gets to 5pm I pull the circuit
breakers on the bench, pick up my van keys, and go home. No more of
this 18-hour-day "Oh but it'll be worth it and when the job's done we'll
all get bonuses" crap.
Theoretically, the stress and mental exertion of working on software all
the time was causing a lack of brain bandwidth and stopped me from doing
anything productive with the nekosynth plugins. Now I've no excuse,
except sheer bloody laziness.
Yeah, I'd like to
work for Google, but who doesn't right? :)
Not me...
Gordon MM0YEQ
11 Nov
11 Nov
12:06 a.m.
Hmm, lot's of anti Google sentiment here? I'm afraid that I was sort of in the
afterglow of positive testimonials when I wrote that original email. What exactly does
Google do that is unethical? Sure, they're a huge corporation (bureucracy blah blah),
but they are companies that are a lot worse.
It's great (and refreshing) to hear that a lot of us do what we do in spite of money.
community > capitalism
Yeah, I'd like to
work for Google, but who doesn't right? :)
Not me...
Gordon MM0YEQ
8:40 p.m.
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 15:06 -0800, Kris Calabio wrote:
Hmm, lot's of anti Google sentiment here? I'm
afraid that I was sort
of in the afterglow of positive testimonials when I wrote that
original email. What exactly does Google do that is unethical? Sure,
they're a huge corporation (bureucracy blah blah), but they are
companies that are a lot worse.
The annoying painfully slow fade in when you load their page
The annoying way that Google Translate *always* selects Spanish as the
language to translate from, no matter what you set it to last. I never
want to translate from Spanish. You store everything else, why not
store this?
The annoying "Showing results for kiss. Search instead for mkiss"
retardedness. If I wanted to search for "kiss" I would have typed
"kiss". I wanted to search for "mkiss", which is why I typed
"mkiss".
Do not try to second-guess me, and then wrap it up in a patronising
little message.
The really annoying way that if you search for an electronic component,
the first three pages are all the same "YOU BUY NOW BEST PRICE CHINA IC
MART TOP GOOGLE BEST PRICE!!!111!!" shite.
The annoying Google Instant flashy shit. Why the hell are you
constantly making the screen flash when I'm trying to type? Stop it.
You don't know what I want to search for, until I hit return. Don't try
to guess.
The absolutely fucking rage-inducingly annoying Google Preview. Again
with the flashing shit! Stop doing it! I don't want you to fill my
screen with a pixelly blurry low-res version of the page I want to go
to. You have a preview of the text there, that's quite enough.
Fuck Google. I've already switched back to Altavista, and submitted
bugs against Firefox and derivatives and Google Chrome suggesting that
they either use Yahoo!, Altavista or Bing as their default search.
Gordon MM0YEQ
12 Nov
12 Nov
10:55 a.m.
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Gordon JC Pearce <gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net> wrote:
Fuck Google. I've already switched back to
Altavista, and submitted
bugs against Firefox and derivatives and Google Chrome suggesting that
they either use Yahoo!, Altavista or Bing as their default search.
I like Google because they annoy Gordon, and that means more
entertainment for us.
Chris
11:50 a.m.
On Fri, November 12, 2010 1:55 am, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Gordon JC Pearce
<gordonjcp(a)gjcp.net>
wrote:
All this anger. I suspect they rejected him at some point.
Me, I've been rejected three times by Google. I'm getting used to it now.
--
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd.
"This is the basis of the Bohm interpretation of quantum mechanics, which
requires that all particles in the universe be able to instantaneously
exchange information with all others."
Fuck Google. I've already switched back to
Altavista, and submitted
bugs against Firefox and derivatives and Google Chrome suggesting that
they either use Yahoo!, Altavista or Bing as their default search.
I like Google because they annoy Gordon, and that means more
entertainment for us.
10:59 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Patrick Shirkey
<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com> wrote:
On Fri, November 12, 2010 1:55 am, Chris Cannam
wrote:
I would be very surprised to learn he had ever applied there.
I think actually his is the sort of complaint Google should be making
a note of -- it's clearly made up of a number of small irritations
that just happen to cross most of the spectrum of things he might use
their services for.
It's not that everyone else necessarily agrees with him, but that one
person's irritations might be things that grow to be everyone's
irritations over time, and might become things that a competitor can
take advantage of -- just as Google originally took advantage of the
overdeveloped search interfaces everyone else used to provide.
I like Google because they annoy Gordon, and that means more
entertainment for us.
All this anger. I suspect they rejected him at some point. Me, I've been rejected three times by Google.
I'm getting used to it now.
It is perhaps an unbalanced world in which anyone feels they have to
apply more than once to the same employer.
I worked for a while for Yahoo. That was... not bad. The day-to-day
wasn't so different, but the ready availability of very clever people
with specialisations in whatever subject you wanted was a very
attractive point. I know a few people at Google, some of whom moved
from Yahoo, and on the whole they like it there, I think for similar
reasons.
Ten or fifteen years earlier, I might have been writing that the
people I knew at Microsoft felt the same way. These companies work
quite hard to enchant their developers and please their employees
generally. Employees are very expensive.
(I don't know anyone at Apple. Apple is a mystery to me. I imagine
it's much the same, but I would like to hear any stories about forced
injection of reality-distortion drugs, etc., you might be able to
offer. Anyone?)
Anyway, for my part -- I work in a university, at the Centre for
Digital Music at Queen Mary, University of London. I'm unusual in
academia in that I'm employed as a developer rather than an RA or
postdoc (I have neither MSc nor PhD). It's in a pretty grim part of
London, but it's by far the most interesting job I've ever had and, as
I've been here for over five years now, it's also the longest-standing
job I've had in 17 years of commercial work. I was hired partly
because of the commercial experience on my CV, but mostly on the basis
of my work on free software projects.
Chris
13 Nov
13 Nov
12:28 a.m.
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:58 +0000, Chris Cannam wrote:
On the odd occasion I have been turned down by an employer, I've tended
to think "Oh well, their loss" and move on. No point making yourself
look foolish, hammering at the same door.
I would only go back to software development professionally if I was
absolutely desparate, and First Bus weren't hiring drivers.
Gordon MM0YEQ
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Patrick Shirkey
<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com> wrote:
Actually, I turned them down - but I'm not really allowed to talk about
it ;-)
On Fri, November 12, 2010 1:55 am, Chris Cannam
wrote:
I would be very surprised to learn he had ever applied there.
I like Google because they annoy Gordon, and that means more
entertainment for us.
All this anger. I suspect they rejected him at some point. I think actually his is the sort of complaint Google
should be making
a note of -- it's clearly made up of a number of small irritations
that just happen to cross most of the spectrum of things he might use
their services for.
It's not that everyone else necessarily agrees with him, but that one
person's irritations might be things that grow to be everyone's
irritations over time, and might become things that a competitor can
take advantage of -- just as Google originally took advantage of the
overdeveloped search interfaces everyone else used to provide.
... and which they have overdeveloped their way right back round to.
Me, I've
been rejected three times by Google. I'm getting used to it now.
It is perhaps an unbalanced world in which anyone feels they have to
apply more than once to the same employer.
10 Nov
10 Nov
11:44 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 07:17:24PM -0800, Kris C wrote:
Google just loooooves open source and those involved.
Quite naive. Google doesn't want to share its profits with
Microsoft, that's all. For the the rest, it's and advertising
machine meant to make money. The rest is just an means to this
end. Wake up to reality, please.
Ciao,
--
FA
There are three of them, and Alleline.
11 Nov
11 Nov
12:05 a.m.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Kris C <cpczk(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I understand that a lot of you develop for free software and are passionate
at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you do for a living?
Are you a student? Do you do software development just as a hobby, or do
you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
I've followed this thread with some interest. I work as cluster admin for a
university research department--It's decent work, good hrs and benefits.
But also, exhausting. I have much more fun writing code than wrangling
servers.
Writing open source software is good as a hobby, but also as resume
material. The jobs in audio software are very competitive, so having some
completed projects will help you a lot.
My current job and projects are (hopefully) a stepping stone to other more
interesting jobs in the future.
Chuck
12:43 a.m.
Hi,
I've spent the last 12-13 years developing software and firmware for lab
instruments, and I spent a great deal of that time working on Free/Open Source
software that runs on the instruments. Obviously, the generation of
instruments I was involved in developing run Linux + RTAI. ;-)
However, my former employer is no more (the business side completely broke
down as our boss passed away about a year ago), and in the end, nothing came
out of the negotiations with the former partners and competitors. Fortunately,
I got a small bonus out of it: that Free/Open Source software I worked on (the
EEL scripting engine, most importantly) is still mine.
So, right now I'm in the process of starting my own business. While waiting
for the bureaucracy to get to the point where I can actually start working,
I'm working on my new web sites, bringing various projects back to life and
stuff like that. I'll be focusing on two main activities: software development
consulting services and game development.
As to Google, not me... either!
That doesn't have much to do with Google in particular, though. It's just that
I've been doing this since I was a kid, but I still haven't actually achieved
much of what I've wanted to do ever since I started. Well, I did implement my
own programming language, which I'm using for various stuff now, but that's
about it... As far as game development goes, Kobo Deluxe is about it, and
that's not even my own design.
That is, it's about bl**dy time to take a step in the right direction...! And
just thinking about it while wasting all time and energy working on the
"wrong" projects doesn't work. :-)
--
//David Olofson - Consultant, Developer, Artist, Open Source Advocate
.--- Games, examples, libraries, scripting, sound, music, graphics ---.
| http://consulting.olofson.net http://olofsonarcade.com |
'---------------------------------------------------------------------'
5:51 a.m.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Kris C <cpczk(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I understand that a lot of you develop for free software and are passionate
at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you do for a living?
Are you a student? Do you do software development just as a hobby, or do
you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
The reason I ask this is because I am curious about what kind of
backgrounds a free software developer has. As for me, I am a student
majoring in Music and minoring in Computer Science. I got the idea of
writing this email, actually, because Google had an internship panel at my
school. Google just loooooves open source and those involved. It sounds
like Google has quite a friendly and cooperative working atmosphere, and
they treat their employees very well. Yeah, I'd like to work for Google,
but who doesn't right? :)
-Kris
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Hi Kris,
I'm a student, and I do have a very part time job programming things other
than linux audio, but that's not necessarily the career I'm going into. Any
audio programming I do is entirely in my own time for my enjoyment and the
enjoyment of others. Essentially it boils down to "I want X. What? It
doesn't exist yet? Well let's see if I can create it." The reason I became
involved in linux audio development is because I like making music with
linux, and also, DSP algorithms are *cool*.
Jeremy
5:58 p.m.
I understand that a lot of you develop for free
software and are passionate
at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you do for a living?
Are you a student? Do you do software development just as a hobby, or do
you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
I see most of you are in IT, I would have thought there were more
amateur programmers and some pro musicians, too.
I am a student. Natural science. Completely unrelated to CS or audio.
:) My prospective employer probably won't care about OSS, mostly doing
this for fun.
Greetings
6:05 p.m.
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Camilo Polymeris <cpolymeris(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm a professional programmer, working in the VoIP server industry,
although I don't do much OSS development these days. The software we
develop is commercial, but we use some LGPL stuff like ffmpeg, and our
target platforms are Solaris and Linux, and I focus mainly on media
streaming solutions for VoIP. Ultimately, though, I will be changing
careers to that of a professional composer and get away from the
software development :-) That will become closer to reality once I
finish my certification via Berklee.
--
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.electricminstrel.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it,
it would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
I understand
that a lot of you develop for free software and are passionate
at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you do for a living?
Are you a student? Do you do software development just as a hobby, or do
you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
I see most of you are in IT, I would have thought there were more
amateur programmers and some pro musicians, too.
I am a student. Natural science. Completely unrelated to CS or audio.
:) My prospective employer probably won't care about OSS, mostly doing
this for fun. 
6:12 p.m.
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Camilo Polymeris <cpolymeris(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I see most of you are in IT, I would have thought
there were more
amateur programmers and some pro musicians, too.
Student, programmer and musician here. :-)
I'd say there's more, but they leave threads like this to people who are the
"real" programmers ;-)
Cheers, -Harry
11:04 p.m.
Am Donnerstag, den 11.11.2010, 17:12 +0000 schrieb Harry Van Haaren:
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Camilo Polymeris
<cpolymeris(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I see most of you are in IT, I would have thought there were
more
amateur programmers and some pro musicians, too.
Student, programmer and musician here. :-)
I'd say there's more, but they leave threads like this to people who
are the "real" programmers ;-)
Cheers, -Harry
Construction worker here, amateur programmer / musician
greats hermann
12 Nov
12 Nov
1:36 a.m.
On 11/11/2010 05:58 PM, Camilo Polymeris wrote:
i'm a 35-year-old freelance sound engineer trying to keep a balance
between well-paid jobs (which are often quite dull) and interesting
projects (which are usually under-paid).
my definition of success is "not having to take on really shitty
projects" - which means i've had a successful year so far. still a long
way to go before i buy my porsche, though :)
best,
jörn
I understand
that a lot of you develop for free software and are passionate
at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you do for a living?
Are you a student? Do you do software development just as a hobby, or do
you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
I see most of you are in IT, I would have thought there were more
amateur programmers and some pro musicians, too. 
11 Nov
11 Nov
6:42 p.m.
Le Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:17:24 -0800,
Kris C <cpczk(a)yahoo.com> a écrit :
Hi all,
Yeah, I'd like to
work for Google, but who doesn't right? :)
-Kris
I am a 50 years old guy. When I was young, my mother was working as a
secretary in a middle size family company, my father was dead in a car
crash. And I was studying in a good private school here in Switzerland.
But capitalism is capitalism, and today, only the ones working at the
direction of a medium or big company can afford to pay for a good
private school for their children.
So, I don't regret my life, just enough work in order to pay the bills
AND to have fun the rest of the time.
Of all countries where I was during my trips, only one is different,
its Cuba. This is the only country I know where it is not much
differences between the richest and the poorest. And, year
after year, according to Amnesty International, Cuba is the country in
the whole America, from the Canada to Argentina, to do respect the most
the human rights. It is also the country of the whole world where it is
the most musicians per inhabitants, and they do makes outstanding
musics. (For the record, Plato wanted to get rid of all the poets from
his republic.)
And no, I am not a software engineer, I am administrator of a few FOS
projects, one of them is audio related. For living, I was engineer in
electronic and electricity, especially all the analog electronic from
vacuum tubes amplifiers to DSP.
Now, I repair Caterpillar like machines. It doesn't take the head, I
move a lot more, and I am in much better form.
Ciao,
Dominique
--
"We have the heroes we deserve."
12 Nov
12 Nov
12:38 a.m.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Kris C <cpczk(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I understand that a lot of you develop for free software and are passionate
at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you do for a living?
Are you a student? Do you do software development just as a hobby, or do
you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
Hey :)
I'm a scientist (mostly maths / ai and comp. sci.) working for a
commercial mathematics company called Biarri. I think i have an
amazingly awesome job. www.biarri.com
Get to do something different every day, great team and lots of
freedom and almost no bullshit bingo buzzword crap that seems to
common. My last few jobs were pretty crappy but this one rocks. :)
very well. Yeah, I'd like to work for Google, but
who doesn't right? :)
Not me. Biarri over Google any day. I'm not a big fan of being, to
quote Stalin, a little cog. I find small companies a lot more
unreliable and random but more exciting. As far as free software goes
though i've moved away from doing anything really. I spend my free
time with my band and my guitar. :)
Loki
5:25 p.m.
2010/11/10 Kris C <cpczk(a)yahoo.com>om>:
Hi all,
I understand that a lot of you develop for free software and are passionate
at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you do for a living?
Are you a student? Do you do software development just as a hobby, or do
you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
Good topic to do some outing. :-)
I'm 23 and I got my MSc graduation in computer engineering at the end
of September.
Now, I am currently looking for a job (without much luck, actually),
but at the same time I'm taking my main F/OSS project a lot more
seriously lately.
I hope to find a way to survive now and then start making money with
my own stuff later on.
Stefano
6:02 p.m.
Am Tue, 09. Nov 2010 um 19:17:24 -0800 schrieb Kris C:
Hi all,
Hi Kris,
I understand that a lot of you develop for free
software and are
passionate at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do
you do for a living? Are you a student? Do you do software
development just as a hobby, or do you want to make a living doing
this kind of work?
I can shift the balance a bit to _non_ professional IT background.
Programming is clearly a (bad weather) spare time filler and mostly fun
for me but also a significant part of the bill I pay back for what my
whole family gets without costs from Linux or FOSS or what ever you like
to call it.
Yeah, I'd like to work for Google, but who
doesn't right? :)
I am not sure about that.
Guido
--
http://www.bayernline.de/~gscholz/
http://www.lug-burghausen.org/
6:07 p.m.
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 18:02 +0100, Guido Scholz wrote:
Am Tue, 09. Nov 2010 um 19:17:24 -0800 schrieb Kris
C:
This is the best comment on this list, written until now. Compliment!
I'm sure, but I'm not sure, if my opinion is ok.
I'm quit now ;),
Ralf
Yeah, I'd like to work for Google, but who
doesn't right? :)
I am not sure about that. 
13 Nov
13 Nov
12:20 a.m.
On 11/10/2010 03:17 AM, Kris C wrote:
Hi all,
I understand that a lot of you develop for free software and are
passionate at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you
do for a living? Are you a student? Do you do software development
just as a hobby, or do you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
The reason I ask this is because I am curious about what kind of
backgrounds a free software developer has. As for me, I am a student
majoring in Music and minoring in Computer Science. I got the idea of
writing this email, actually, because Google had an internship panel at
my school. Google just loooooves open source and those involved. It
sounds like Google has quite a friendly and cooperative working
atmosphere, and they treat their employees very well. Yeah, I'd like to
work for Google, but who doesn't right? :)
corporate bs has been all my (it) life, to date.
and still is, big blue do pay my bills and more.
i've been thru all the crap and still linger. omg, there's even cobol
written in bold on my resume... :)
no sight whether that might change in the next decade though :/
ntl, linux audio is my current hobby, a serious one i guess
lone wolf, guerrilla coder, moonshine fueled, w/e
will i do it for gg? will gg do it for me? who's asking? who cares?
cheers
--
rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela
rncbc(a)rncbc.org
18 Nov
18 Nov
6:27 p.m.
Hi Kris,
My day (and sometimes night) job is a software developer audio related
position for Canonical (Ubuntu) on the desktop experience team.
And most nights and w/ends I play with various improv musicians around
London. We (Sonnamble) just released an album at the start of this year. All
recorded with open source software ( puredata (with some hand-baked
externals), custom controller apps, Ardour, Jamin )
review of the album:
http://www.themilkfactory.co.uk/st/2010/06/sonnamble-seven-months-in-e-mino…
Alas if I had more time/money I would give more to the open source audio
world. Definitely up for the LAC this year in Ireland though.
All the best,
Conor
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Kris C <cpczk(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I understand that a lot of you develop for free software and are passionate
at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you do for a living?
Are you a student? Do you do software development just as a hobby, or do
you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
The reason I ask this is because I am curious about what kind of
backgrounds a free software developer has. As for me, I am a student
majoring in Music and minoring in Computer Science. I got the idea of
writing this email, actually, because Google had an internship panel at my
school. Google just loooooves open source and those involved. It sounds
like Google has quite a friendly and cooperative working atmosphere, and
they treat their employees very well. Yeah, I'd like to work for Google,
but who doesn't right? :)
-Kris
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21 Nov
21 Nov
3:31 p.m.
Hiho,
On Wednesday 10 November 2010 04:17:24 Kris C wrote:
I understand that a lot of you develop for free
software and are
passionate at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you
do for a living? Are you a student? Do you do software development
just as a hobby, or do you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
I recently exchanged academics for the "freelance artist/programmer/making
things life", while still keeping one foot inside academics (and inside
Canada)...
Up to now it's mostly been investing in setting up my own shop, but seeing
that my agenda keeps filling itself up with mostly paid and interesting jobs,
involving traveling to more or less exotic places and meeting interesting
people, I have confidence that it will succeed to make a modest living.
sincerely,
Marije
22 Nov
22 Nov
11:36 a.m.
On Wednesday 10 November 2010 04:17:24 Kris C wrote:
I understand that a lot of you develop for free
software and are
passionate at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you
do for a living? Are you a student? Do you do software development
just as a hobby, or do you want to make a living doing this kind of work?
I work at 2 places: NOTAM, where I work with musicians that need some
kind of experimental electronics. Typical the projects we run are
covering both the musical and the technological domain, and sometimes go
in direction of applied research, but always with focus on the music
involved. I take care of the hardware related stuff and some software,
and get to work with musicians that know their stuff. I am very happy
with this setup.
The other place is my own small business www.wilmers.no, where I develop
measuring equipment for environmental monitoring, mainly for wind power
projects. In both places, I use microcontrollers without OS and bigger
systems (embedded or PC) running Linux. But I live with the conflict of
being open with everything at NOTAM, while creating closed source in my
own business. An interesting conflict actually, as I experience that
Linux is a great base for both concepts. In my view, that explains a
part of the tremendous development in the past few years.
/ Hans
Hans Wilmers
NOTAM
Nedre Gate 5
N-0551 Oslo Norway
tlf.: +47 22358065
http://www.notam02.no
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