Hi Gustin :) it's easy to get named a troll. What should a user do, that has troubles with JACK? I like the 64 Studio community, unfortunately the version for the 64 Studio 2.1 stable version is 0.103. It's silly if a user reports a bug about that version, while the JACK developers needs statements about 0.116. There are distros like Suse, that supports 0.116 by community packages, e.g. for Suse it's the Packman repository. I had contact to the packager by the Linux Club. People reported that bug e.g. to the Ardour forums, a long time before I had this bug. There they say, it's a JACK bug, but this isn't true, it was a packman bug. http://ardour.org/node/2271 I don't want to talk again about this, because I'm personal involved in this, maybe someone of those who replied off-list can give other examples, I won't quote private mails. Testing of RCs often is unwanted. I tried to make a howto and needed help and that was unwanted. And people don't report bugs to the right places, 1. because they don't know the right places and 2. because they know, that they will get bashed. When I reported the JACK package bug for Packman I get sarcasms. I was a troll, who made everything wrong, because I have no knowledge. Nobody but me should have this bug too, written by the packer, who asserted that he makes music with the packages from Packman. This must be a lie, because this package is broken for everyone. 1. If you like to help and write a howto, but you need some help because you e.g. don't know that compilers differ for several Linux, you need to add headers for some applications, than you do something that is unwanted. 2. If you report that something don't work, you need help, than you are a troll, because it's not true. I'm not the only one. Why can you find bugs in the web, that are not reported to the right people? I got mails off-list, with statements similar to "I recently got raked over the coals by ...". Which distribution can I use, that is wanted by the developers? How do I have to report bugs? When I say "Hello, there's a bug" I don't want the answer, that I'm a noob, nobody has this bug, while the whole community has got the same bug. I'm not the "Girl, interrupted" when I reported a bug and I'm not a individual case. I get crazed, when people are unconvincable, they don't need to excuse, while people like me get banned. The only thing users can do, is to report bugs anonymous, in forums somewhere in the web, instead of talking to the right people. Misspelling for a user who reports something should be allowed. Posting a bug that was posted before, should be allowed. Posting a bug of a front or back end to the back or front end people should be allowed. To be stupid should be allowed. But it isn't. Cheers, Ralf PS: I have a bad conscience because I wrote this troll like stuff. I also get off-list mails that this will break the work. But I guess it's a topic, if Linux is also for Users. I never developed anything for Linux, but I was a developer too. I don't understand the problem with bug reports. At the moment it looks like I'm not banned in much mailing lists, as it was written.