21 Nov
2006
21 Nov
'06
8:31 p.m.
hi everybody,
i'm looking for a sampler instrument file format similar to .nki, .sf2
or akai instruments. is there an open standard existing already, perhaps
even accompanied by some sort of library?
--
-- Leonard Ritter
-- http://www.leonard-ritter.com
-- http://www.paniq.org
21 Nov
21 Nov
8:44 p.m.
is there an open standard existing already
at least I remember that there has been a discussion about exactly this
topic (creating an open format) on one of the lists, but I don't know
on which list it was and if it lead to any result.
I know this doesn't really help :) ,
ce
22 Nov
22 Nov
5:28 a.m.
On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 01:30:10AM +0100, Leonard paniq Ritter wrote:
hi everybody,
i'm looking for a sampler instrument file format similar to .nki, .sf2
or akai instruments. is there an open standard existing already, perhaps
even accompanied by some sort of library?
http://resonance.org:8000/openinstruments/show/HomePage
(Didn't take off)
--
Thorsten Wilms
7:43 a.m.
from what i see, sf2 seems to be quite popular, due to fluidsynth, so i
will start off there. i suppose any open format should be based on sf2
lingo, with perhaps an bin/xml-in-zip based structure. we recently
created a new tracker module file format based on that, and it works out
pretty well... i believe svgz works quite the same way (not quite tho).
so i suppose the best way would be to reimplement sf2 as some kind of
xsfz format, write a forth-back conversion library/utility and release
the whole work under a bsd licence to make it easy for free and
commercial developers to catch up...
On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 10:27 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 01:30:10AM +0100, Leonard
paniq Ritter wrote:
--
-- Leonard Ritter
-- http://www.leonard-ritter.com
-- http://www.paniq.org
hi everybody,
i'm looking for a sampler instrument file format similar to .nki, .sf2
or akai instruments. is there an open standard existing already, perhaps
even accompanied by some sort of library?
http://resonance.org:8000/openinstruments/show/HomePage
(Didn't take off)
--
Thorsten Wilms 
9:18 a.m.
Am Mittwoch, 22. November 2006 10:27 schrieb Thorsten Wilms:
We started discussion on that list a while ago, but not really with a
consensus. It fell asleep majorly due to priorites.
Am Mittwoch, 22. November 2006 12:43 schrieb Leonard "paniq" Ritter:
i'm
looking for a sampler instrument file format similar to .nki, .sf2
or akai instruments. is there an open standard existing already, perhaps
even accompanied by some sort of library?
http://resonance.org:8000/openinstruments/show/HomePage
(Didn't take off) from what i see, sf2 seems to be quite popular, due to
fluidsynth, so i
will start off there. i suppose any open format should be based on sf2
lingo, with perhaps an bin/xml-in-zip based structure. we recently
created a new tracker module file format based on that, and it works out
pretty well... i believe svgz works quite the same way (not quite tho).
so i suppose the best way would be to reimplement sf2 as some kind of
xsfz format, write a forth-back conversion library/utility and release
the whole work under a bsd licence to make it easy for free and
commercial developers to catch up...
Sound Font is a dead end. One of the few things that was agreed by the
majority on that list, was to use an XML based format for the articulation
informations, probably encapsulated into a common compression format. Which
makes sense, considering where we all come from. You know.... command line
fetishists, light-weight text editor freaks.
CU
Christian
1:15 p.m.
On 11/22/06, Christian Schoenebeck <cuse(a)users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 22. November 2006 10:27 schrieb Thorsten
Wilms:
We started discussion on that list a while ago, but not really with a
consensus. It fell asleep majorly due to priorites.
Ah, Design By Committee.
i'm
looking for a sampler instrument file format similar to .nki, .sf2
or akai instruments. is there an open standard existing already, perhaps
even accompanied by some sort of library?
http://resonance.org:8000/openinstruments/show/HomePage
(Didn't take off)
1:42 p.m.
Am Mittwoch, 22. November 2006 18:14 schrieb Paul Coccoli:
Ah, Design By Committee.
Hey, don't throw such words at me! A committee usually involves exclusion of
people (and is often a playground for people with profile neurosis). That
mailing list was public though and without any pseudo "official" attitude.
http://resonance.org:8000/openinstruments/show/HomePage
(Didn't take off)
We started discussion on that list a while ago, but not really with a
consensus. It fell asleep majorly due to priorites.
3:14 p.m.
On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 18:41 +0100, Christian Schoenebeck wrote:
Hey, don't throw such words at me! A committee
usually involves exclusion of
people (and is often a playground for people with profile neurosis). That
mailing list was public though and without any pseudo "official" attitude.
i usually prefer designs where someone takes the benevolent dictator
position, pulls out a whack prototype and shapes it by community
comments on it. ;)
--
-- Leonard Ritter
-- http://www.leonard-ritter.com
-- http://www.paniq.org
27 Nov
27 Nov
7:43 a.m.
Hello,
open standard existing already ...?
We started discussion on that list a while ago,
http://resonance.org:8000/openinstruments/show/HomePage (Didn't take off)
The mailing-list archive http://resonance.org/pipermail/open-instruments/ says there have
been no
posts to the list yet. This is not completely true, on 2005-09-20 I wrote to
open-instruments(a)resonance.org:
I have written down some ideas on modeling
'Time', 'Positions' and 'Parts' of audio waveforms in XML:
http://swiki.hfbk-hamburg.de:8888/MusicTechnology/786
(...)
The approach tries to capture the notions of time, positions and parts
as 'musically' as possible. For example, 'Time' can be handled either as
clock-seconds, as beats, as sample-frames, or relative to the length
of a 'Part'. 'Positions' can be declared relative to other
'Positions',
'Parts' may be nested inside other 'Parts', etc.
Includes a prototype implementation for SuperCollider3 with BBCut 1.3, using a
SuperCollider
library for XML (http://swiki.hfbk-hamburg.de:8888/MusicTechnology/747).
Maybe this is still interesting to somebody...
best
Jens
Leonard "paniq" Ritter schrieb:
On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 18:41 +0100, Christian
Schoenebeck wrote:
Hey, don't throw such words at me! A committee
usually involves exclusion of
people (and is often a playground for people with profile neurosis). That
mailing list was public though and without any pseudo "official" attitude.
i usually prefer designs where someone takes the benevolent dictator
position, pulls out a whack prototype and shapes it by community
comments on it. ;)
8:48 a.m.
library for XML
(http://swiki.hfbk-hamburg.de:8888/MusicTechnology/747).
Maybe this is still interesting to somebody...
11:46 a.m.
carmen schrieb:
nice start. care to port it to an RDF schema?
The model is verbally described in a file 'proposal.html' inside
http://swiki.hfbk-hamburg.de:8888/MusicTechnology/uploads/786/spec-slices-0…
(together with
some schematic drawing). So this could be used to implement it with other syntaxes than
XML, too.
If you want to do this it's nice - please let me know if you do so. But I don't
have plans to
further work on this now.
best
Jens
22 Nov
22 Nov
3:12 p.m.
On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 14:17 +0100, Christian Schoenebeck wrote:
which is exactly what i was suggesting. i'm not calling to use sf2 as a
standard, but using merely the order, metaphors and lingo of the format
description so people feel at home, and mental mapping becomes easier.
the new format will be extensible, so it's not bad to start off with a
known feature set.
it will take a few weeks until i have time for this, so be prepared :)
--
Leonard Ritter
-- Freelance Art & Logic
-- http://www.leonard-ritter.com
so i suppose
the best way would be to reimplement sf2 as some kind of
xsfz format, write a forth-back conversion library/utility and release
the whole work under a bsd licence to make it easy for free and
commercial developers to catch up...
Sound Font is a dead end. One of the few things that was agreed by the
majority on that list, was to use an XML based format for the articulation
informations, probably encapsulated into a common compression format. Which
makes sense, considering where we all come from. You know.... command line
fetishists, light-weight text editor freaks. 
7 Feb
7 Feb
3:08 p.m.
On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 08:12:19PM +0100, Leonard paniq Ritter wrote:
On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 14:17 +0100, Christian
Schoenebeck wrote:
which is exactly what i was suggesting. i'm not calling to use sf2 as a
standard, but using merely the order, metaphors and lingo of the format
description so people feel at home, and mental mapping becomes easier.
the new format will be extensible, so it's not bad to start off with a
known feature set.
it will take a few weeks until i have time for this, so be prepared :)
A very late response ... but are you aware of libInstPatch:
http://swami.sourceforge.net/devel.php
-Eric Rz.
so i
suppose the best way would be to reimplement sf2 as some kind of
xsfz format, write a forth-back conversion library/utility and release
the whole work under a bsd licence to make it easy for free and
commercial developers to catch up...
Sound Font is a dead end. One of the few things that was agreed by the
majority on that list, was to use an XML based format for the articulation
informations, probably encapsulated into a common compression format. Which
makes sense, considering where we all come from. You know.... command line
fetishists, light-weight text editor freaks.
6527
days inactive
6605
days old
linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org
12 comments
8 participants
participants (8)
-
carmen -
Christian Schoenebeck -
Christoph Eckert -
Eric Dantan Rzewnicki -
Jens Gulden -
Leonard "paniq" Ritter -
Paul Coccoli -
Thorsten Wilms