31 Dec
2013
31 Dec
'13
4:47 p.m.
Hi all :)
Uploaded a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a LiveDVD/USB focused on multimedia
(Debian based).
Kernel 3.12.6-amd64, e18 as desktop environment, Jack2 as default sound server
and more nice stuff ;)
->
http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io/releases/io-live-hybrid-3.12.6-amd64--2013.12.…
A quick (and dirty) screencast here:
-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KKsQfKbvGg
For more infos, screenshots gallery, etc... Please visit:
-> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html
-> https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/
Enjoy & Best wishes for 2014
MK
31 Dec
31 Dec
4:56 p.m.
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:47:16 +0100, MK aka El Doctor
<el.doctor(a)laposte.net> wrote:
Is there a good reason why Debian based distros exclude linuxsampler?
Guten Rutsch!
Ralf
5:04 p.m.
On 12/31/2013 04:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:47:16 +0100, MK aka El Doctor
<el.doctor(a)laposte.net> wrote:
Is there a good reason why Debian based distros exclude linuxsampler?
Same reason
why we don't include it in Fedora Jam. It's a non-free license.
5:16 p.m.
Le mardi 31 décembre 2013, 17:04:54 Brendan Jones a écrit :
On 12/31/2013 04:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Ok thx for the info :)
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:47:16 +0100, MK aka El
Doctor
<el.doctor(a)laposte.net> wrote:
Same reason why we don't include it in Fedora Jam. It's a non-free license.
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Is there a good reason why Debian based distros
exclude linuxsampler?
5:21 p.m.
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:04:54 +0100, Brendan Jones
<brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/31/2013 04:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
It's free, even for professional audio productions, just not free to use
for commercial software.
OTOH software that is not "intended" to be forked usually isn't excluded.
IMO a double standard, anyway, thank you for your answer.
Regards,
Ralf
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:47:16 +0100, MK aka El
Doctor
<el.doctor(a)laposte.net> wrote:
Is there a good reason why Debian based distros exclude linuxsampler?
Same reason
why we don't include it in Fedora Jam. It's a non-free
license.
6:01 p.m.
On 12/31/2013 05:21 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:04:54 +0100, Brendan Jones
<brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah I know. Fedora is pretty strict with such, debian also. You can
grab it from the CCRMA repos though.
Ralf, have you bought your fireworks yet?
On 12/31/2013 04:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
It's free, even for professional audio productions, just not free to use
for commercial software.
OTOH software that is not "intended" to be forked usually isn't excluded.
IMO a double standard, anyway, thank you for your answer.
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:47:16 +0100, MK aka El
Doctor
<el.doctor(a)laposte.net> wrote:
Is there a good reason why Debian based distros exclude linuxsampler?
Same reason
why we don't include it in Fedora Jam. It's a non-free
license.
6:25 p.m.
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 18:01:42 +0100, Brendan Jones
<brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/31/2013 05:21 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Don't worry Brendan, I won't start the fire here ;). You understand what I
pointed out. It does matter if people add an official limitation to the
GPL, but it doesn't matter if a coder doesn't add a limitation, but when
people start to fork the unlimited GPLed software it became a fire on this
and at least LAU too.
I'm happy that my main distro does include linuxsampler to the official
repositories and I'm able to build it for other distros myself.
And, my main distro isn't Gentoo, there at least is a second distro with a
similar policy as Gentoo and inexperienced user can get both Aelus and
linuxsampler :p and it's good this way :).
Regards,
Ralf
PS: Cool people don't join a party at 18:30, let alone earlier :D.
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:04:54 +0100, Brendan
Jones
<brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah I know. Fedora is pretty strict with such, debian also. You can
grab it from the CCRMA repos though.
Ralf, have you bought your fireworks yet? On 12/31/2013 04:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
It's free, even for professional audio productions, just not free to use
for commercial software.
OTOH software that is not "intended" to be forked usually isn't
excluded.
IMO a double standard, anyway, thank you for your answer.
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:47:16 +0100, MK aka El
Doctor
<el.doctor(a)laposte.net> wrote:
>
http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io/releases/io-live-hybrid-3.12.6-amd64--2013.12.…
>
>
Is there a good reason why Debian based distros exclude linuxsampler?
Same reason
why we don't include it in Fedora Jam. It's a non-free
license.
6:36 p.m.
On 12/31/2013 06:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 18:01:42 +0100, Brendan Jones
<brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Point taken - its a crap license. Upstream are pretty immovable on this
one. What can we do? Not much
Sicher! I was talking about Silvester in Berlin! Already sounds like a
warzone in Weissensee here (guilty as charged - had to let off a few
knalle's) Now that the sun has gone down let's get this riot started ;)
On 12/31/2013 05:21 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Don't worry Brendan, I won't start the fire here ;). You understand what
I pointed out. It does matter if people add an official limitation to
the GPL, but it doesn't matter if a coder doesn't add a limitation, but
when people start to fork the unlimited GPLed software it became a fire
on this and at least LAU too.
I'm happy that my main distro does include linuxsampler to the official
repositories and I'm able to build it for other distros myself.
And, my main distro isn't Gentoo, there at least is a second distro with
a similar policy as Gentoo and inexperienced user can get both Aelus and
linuxsampler :p and it's good this way :).
Regards,
Ralf
PS: Cool people don't join a party at 18:30, let alone earlier :D. On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:04:54 +0100, Brendan
Jones
<brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah I know. Fedora is pretty strict with such, debian also. You can
grab it from the CCRMA repos though.
Ralf, have you bought your fireworks yet? On 12/31/2013 04:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:47:16 +0100, MK aka El Doctor
> <el.doctor(a)laposte.net> wrote:
>>
http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io/releases/io-live-hybrid-3.12.6-amd64--2013.12.…
>>
>>
>>
>
> Is there a good reason why Debian based distros exclude linuxsampler?
Same reason why we don't include it in Fedora Jam. It's a non-free
license.
It's free, even for professional audio productions, just not free to use
for commercial software.
OTOH software that is not "intended" to be forked usually isn't
excluded.
IMO a double standard, anyway, thank you for your answer.
1 Jan
1 Jan
10:27 a.m.
New subject: io GNU/Linux LiveDVD/USB ... 64-bit iso up :)
On 1 January 2014 01:25, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
And, my main distro isn't Gentoo, there at least
is a second distro with a
similar policy as Gentoo and inexperienced user can get both Aelus and
linuxsampler :p and it's good this way :).
While it may be accessible the fact remains that the license is tainted:
Name : linuxsampler
Licenses : GPL custom:exception
On 1 January 2014 05:03, Dominique Michel <dominique.michel(a)vtxnet.ch> wrote:
Is it not the point of the GPL3 to be a free license
that allow to make
anything with the work done with the software, but to restrict
commercial distribution of the code or the software?
On the contrary -- you can sell free software, _provided_ you retain
the license and give your customers the same rights (access to the
source, namely). So why would anyone buy from you? Plenty of reasons,
no reason, both.
--
GPG/PGP ID: C0711BF1
5:14 p.m.
New subject: io GNU/Linux LiveDVD/USB ... 64-bit iso up :)
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:26 AM, Ray Rashif <schiv(a)archaudio.org> wrote:
On 1 January 2014 01:25, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
The simplicity of this classification makes me wonder if Debian, Fedora and
others will sooner or later have issues with the JACK license.
There is an important difference, which is that we (tried to) give
recipients *more* rights than the GPL, but I can see that ending badly.
And, my main distro isn't Gentoo, there at
least is a second distro with
a
similar policy as Gentoo and inexperienced user
can get both Aelus and
linuxsampler :p and it's good this way :).
While it may be accessible the fact remains that the license is tainted:
Name : linuxsampler
Licenses : GPL custom:exception
6:20 p.m.
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On Wednesday 01 January 2014 11:14:12 Paul Davis wrote:
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:26 AM, Ray Rashif
<schiv(a)archaudio.org> wrote:
How applying the GPL or the LGPL licenses to different parts of a project at
the same time may become a problem? What a mess!
I don't think that granting more rights to the licensees would be a problem
with the GPL. That is exactly what the GNU Classpath exception does, and this
package is available on both Fedora and Debian:
http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath/license.html
And a similar exception applies to the Qt LGPL license:
http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtdoc/lgpl.html#digia-qt-lgpl-exception-ve…
Some people also think that restrictions based on moral rights may also be
applicable to software licenses, when the author wants to prevent any usage
"prejudicial to his honor or reputation", as stated by Berne Convention 6 bis,
because this treaty is the basis of the international Copyright laws, and
software licenses are based on Copyright.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/6bis.html
Regards,
Pedro
PD. Happy new year!
On 1 January 2014 01:25, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
The simplicity of this classification makes me wonder if Debian, Fedora and
others will sooner or later have issues with the JACK license.
There is an important difference, which is that we (tried to) give
recipients *more* rights than the GPL, but I can see that ending badly. And, my main distro isn't Gentoo, there at
least is a second distro with
a
similar policy as Gentoo and inexperienced user
can get both Aelus and
linuxsampler :p and it's good this way :).
While it may be accessible the fact remains that the license is tainted:
Name : linuxsampler
Licenses : GPL custom:exception 
31 Dec
31 Dec
6:06 p.m.
Le Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:04:54 +0100,
Brendan Jones <brendan.jones.it(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
On 12/31/2013 04:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I don't see where the problem is with Debian. I made a Debian install
for testing in virtualbox the other day, and the installation program
asked me if I want to include the non-free software into the
installation. So, if the user is able to say yes to that question, the
real reason is something else.
In gentoo, we have another politic with the licences. The free
licence are accepted by portage by default, and for the other licences,
the user must accept them on a per package basis. For linuxsampler,
both the portage versions and the pro-audio overlay live version are
considered as GPL2, as stated into the source code.
gsampler, qsampler and jsampler are also provided. The jsampler ebuilds
let the user to choose between the classic and fantasia installation.
Dominique
_____________________________________________
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:47:16 +0100, MK aka El
Doctor
<el.doctor(a)laposte.net> wrote:
Is there a good reason why Debian based distros exclude
linuxsampler?
Same reason why we don't include it in Fedora Jam. It's a
non-free
license. __ Linux-audio-dev mailing list
Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
6:08 p.m.
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On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dominique Michel <
dominique.michel(a)vtxnet.ch> wrote:
In gentoo, we have another politic with the licences. The free
licence are accepted by portage by default, and for the other licences,
the user must accept them on a per package basis. For linuxsampler,
both the portage versions and the pro-audio overlay live version are
considered as GPL2, as stated into the source code.
It isn't clear that linuxsampler's license is legal. They use the GPL2 and
then add restrictions, which is prohibited by the GPL. It may or may not
affect the license, but either way it is a wierd situation.
6:31 p.m.
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On 12/31/2013 06:08 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dominique Michel
<dominique.michel(a)vtxnet.ch <mailto:dominique.michel@vtxnet.ch>> wrote:
In gentoo, we have another politic with the licences. The free
licence are accepted by portage by default, and for the other licences,
the user must accept them on a per package basis. For linuxsampler,
both the portage versions and the pro-audio overlay live version are
considered as GPL2, as stated into the source code.
It isn't clear that linuxsampler's license is legal. They use the GPL2
and then add restrictions, which is prohibited by the GPL. It may or may
not affect the license, but either way it is a wierd situation.
I think there is a definitive reason why upstream chose this path in
this case. I'm not privy to this, but it is sad, because it is an
awesome project, but we have to err on the side of freedom ...
8:36 p.m.
New subject: io GNU/Linux LiveDVD/USB ... 64-bit iso up :)
On Tue, 2013-12-31 at 18:32 +0100, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 12/31/2013 06:08 PM, Paul Davis wrote:
I don't have time to search my mails now, but I had a discussion about
this issue and there's a famous example, where somebody add something to
the GPL similar to "only allowed to use the software for good, not for
evil".
I can search this "famous example" next year, but now my telephone,
resp. the people calling me are impatient. I'm forced to join a
party ;).
It's not good to exclude linuxsampler, since not only the software is
awesome, but also the free sample libraries are awesome.
Again: Guten Rutsch! to all how are still in 2013 and a Happy New Year!
to all who are already in 2014
Ralf
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dominique Michel
<dominique.michel(a)vtxnet.ch <mailto:dominique.michel@vtxnet.ch>> wrote:
In gentoo, we have another politic with the licences. The free
licence are accepted by portage by default, and for the other licences,
the user must accept them on a per package basis. For linuxsampler,
both the portage versions and the pro-audio overlay live version are
considered as GPL2, as stated into the source code.
It isn't clear that linuxsampler's license is legal. They use the GPL2
and then add restrictions, which is prohibited by the GPL. It may or may
not affect the license, but either way it is a wierd situation.
I think there is a definitive reason why upstream chose this path in
this case. I'm not privy to this, but it is sad, because it is an
awesome project, but we have to err on the side of freedom ...
9:43 p.m.
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Le Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:08:23 -0500,
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> a écrit :
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dominique Michel
<
dominique.michel(a)vtxnet.ch> wrote:
Sorry Paul for the double posting, I just hit Answer and it din't make
it to the list.
Is it not the point of the GPL3 to be a free license that allow to make
anything with the work done with the software, but to restrict
commercial distribution of the code or the software?
Dominique
In gentoo, we have another politic with the licences. The free
licence are accepted by portage by default, and for the other
licences, the user must accept them on a per package basis. For
linuxsampler, both the portage versions and the pro-audio overlay
live version are considered as GPL2, as stated into the source code.
It isn't clear that linuxsampler's license is legal. They use the
GPL2 and then add restrictions, which is prohibited by the GPL. It
may or may not affect the license, but either way it is a wierd
situation.
5:12 p.m.
Le mardi 31 décembre 2013, 16:56:31 Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:47:16 +0100, MK aka El Doctor
<el.doctor(a)laposte.net> wrote:
Mmmm maybe because it's
not in the Debian's repositories... I will have a look
to make packages and include them in the io's repo
MK
http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io/releases/io-live-hybrid-3.12.6-amd64--2013.12
.29-07.11.packages.html
Is there a good reason why Debian based distros exclude
linuxsampler?
Guten Rutsch!
Ralf
_______________________________________________
Linux-audio-dev mailing list
Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
5:18 p.m.
Le mardi 31 décembre 2013, 17:11:43 MK aka El Doctor a écrit :
Le mardi 31 décembre 2013, 16:56:31 Ralf Mardorf a
écrit :
or no :)
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:47:16 +0100, MK aka El
Doctor
<el.doctor(a)laposte.net> wrote:
Mmmm maybe because it's not in the Debian's repositories... I will have a
look to make packages and include them in the io's repo
MK
http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io/releases/io-live-hybrid-3.12.6-amd64--2013.
12
.29-07.11.packages.html
Is there a good reason why Debian based distros exclude linuxsampler?
Guten Rutsch!
Ralf
_______________________________________________
Linux-audio-dev mailing list
Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
5:37 p.m.
Le mardi 31 décembre 2013, 16:47:16 MK aka El Doctor a écrit :
Hi all :)
Uploaded a new iso of "io GNU/Linux", a LiveDVD/USB focused on multimedia
(Debian based).
Kernel 3.12.6-amd64, e18 as desktop environment, Jack2 as default sound
server and more nice stuff ;)
->
http://manu.kebab.free.fr/io/releases/io-live-hybrid-3.12.6-amd64--2013.12.
29-07.11.packages.html
A quick (and dirty) screencast here:
-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KKsQfKbvGg
For more infos, screenshots gallery, etc... Please visit:
-> http://manu.kebab.free.fr/iognulinux.html
-> https://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/
Enjoy & Best wishes for 2014
MK
3 steps to prepare an usb stick ;)
# Get it
wget -c
http://sourceforge.net/projects/io-gnu-linux/files/io-live-hybrid-3.12.6-am…
-O io-live-hybrid-3.12.6-
amd64--2013.12.29-07.11.iso
# Check iso integrity (should return 4394ce930ac35f6b7c8382c2af882b31)
md5sum io-live-hybrid-3.12.6-amd64--2013.12.29-07.11.iso
# Copy to usb pen (Warning... will erase content of the disk) :
cp io-live-hybrid-3.12.6-amd64--2013.12.29-07.11.iso /dev/sdc # (replace sdc
according to your configuration)
Enjoy :)
MK
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