27 Jan
2005
27 Jan
'05
4:17 p.m.
Hi peeps.
Just looking for some quick advice about a new soundcard.
I'm looking at getting something like the M-Audio Audiophile 2496.
This is to replace a SB Live! Value.
Does this seem like a sensible (though cheap) move? I'm expecting a
better card.
The reason I'm thinking about changing to something not hugely
dissimilar is because under ALSA, I'm rally not impressed with my SB.
The volumes seem wrong - loudest seems to clip before it's off the
card. I have no use for all those fancy effects that it does, since I
can't make use of them in my setup anyway.
Up until now, I've been using headphones mostly, with a couple of sets
of cheapo speakers as monitors, with a super cheap amp.
I'm about to splash out on some real nearfield monitors and a real
monitoring amp, although I'll still be spending less than £350 (That's
UK pounds, in case the symbol doesn't come out as it should - there's
a reason I'm not sure it will, but let's not get into that).
With a nicer monitoring setup, obviously I want a decent soundcard.
Does the Audiophile work well with ALSA? Are there any better
alternatives? Am I being silly, and can just somehow "fix" my
SBLive/ALSA setup?
All advice welcomed,
James
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
27 Jan
27 Jan
5:01 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 08:18:02PM +0000, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
Hi peeps.
Just looking for some quick advice about a new soundcard.
I'm looking at getting something like the M-Audio Audiophile 2496.
This is to replace a SB Live! Value.
Does this seem like a sensible (though cheap) move? I'm expecting a
better card.
Certainly.
The reason I'm thinking about changing to
something not hugely
dissimilar is because under ALSA, I'm rally not impressed with my SB.
The volumes seem wrong - loudest seems to clip before it's off the
card. I have no use for all those fancy effects that it does, since I
can't make use of them in my setup anyway.
There's been a thread going on for the past week or two on
linux-audio-user about an alternative driver for the emu10k1 cards. It
sounds like a lot more of the functionality is useable with this driver.
I didn't pay close attention to the thread, though, since I don't have
one of these cards. Check the archives.
Up until now, I've been using headphones mostly,
with a couple of sets
of cheapo speakers as monitors, with a super cheap amp.
I'm about to splash out on some real nearfield monitors and a real
monitoring amp, although I'll still be spending less than £350 (That's
UK pounds, in case the symbol doesn't come out as it should - there's
a reason I'm not sure it will, but let's not get into that).
came out fine here. I think it depends on the recipient system's locales
setting or something.
With a nicer monitoring setup, obviously I want a
decent soundcard.
Does the Audiophile work well with ALSA? Are there any better
alternatives? Am I being silly, and can just somehow "fix" my
SBLive/ALSA setup?
The audiophile, like all ice1712 cards, is very well supported by alsa.
The delta series (44, 66, 1010, 1010lt) all use this same chipset and
driver, as do several good cards by some other manufacturers.
envy24control is a great mixer app included in the alsa-tools
specifically for use with these cards. Many linux users are happy with
their flavor of ice1712, myself included.
On the other hand, you may be able to get more out of your sblive using
the newer drivers.
--
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Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia
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5:30 p.m.
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 15:00, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
The audiophile, like all ice1712 cards, is very well
supported by alsa.
The delta series (44, 66, 1010, 1010lt) all use this same chipset and
driver, as do several good cards by some other manufacturers.
envy24control is a great mixer app included in the alsa-tools
specifically for use with these cards. Many linux users are happy with
their flavor of ice1712, myself included.
Yup, me too. At the price the 1010LT is selling for these days you
ought to look into that. Do some serious multitracking ;-)
Jan
28 Jan
28 Jan
4:37 a.m.
On Thu, 27 Jan, 2005 at 04:07PM -0600, Jan Depner spake thus:
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 15:00, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki
wrote:
I've been thinking about that. At the moment it wouldn't do me any
good, but I'm tempted. Then I'd have to buy a mixer, too. And then
I'd want some hardware effects and since I had a mixer, I'd want a few
synths and before you know it, I'd be buying a Mac.
The audiophile, like all ice1712 cards, is very
well supported by alsa.
The delta series (44, 66, 1010, 1010lt) all use this same chipset and
driver, as do several good cards by some other manufacturers.
envy24control is a great mixer app included in the alsa-tools
specifically for use with these cards. Many linux users are happy with
their flavor of ice1712, myself included.
Yup, me too. At the price the 1010LT is selling for these days you
ought to look into that. Do some serious multitracking ;-) Jan
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
4:40 a.m.
On Thu, 27 Jan, 2005 at 04:00PM -0500, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki spake thus:
Hmm. Maybe I'll splash out on the Delta 44. I can get it for around
£100 ($200 ish).
Thanks for the info.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 08:18:02PM +0000,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
I was more worried about Emacs' refusal to write it without C-q before
it. I thought it might decide to do some weird encoding. It has done
in the past.
Hi peeps.
Just looking for some quick advice about a new soundcard.
I'm looking at getting something like the M-Audio Audiophile 2496.
This is to replace a SB Live! Value.
Does this seem like a sensible (though cheap) move? I'm expecting a
better card.
Certainly.
The reason I'm thinking about changing to
something not hugely
dissimilar is because under ALSA, I'm rally not impressed with my SB.
The volumes seem wrong - loudest seems to clip before it's off the
card. I have no use for all those fancy effects that it does, since I
can't make use of them in my setup anyway.
There's been a thread going on for the past week or two on
linux-audio-user about an alternative driver for the emu10k1 cards. It
sounds like a lot more of the functionality is useable with this driver.
I didn't pay close attention to the thread, though, since I don't have
one of these cards. Check the archives.
Up until now, I've been using headphones
mostly, with a couple of sets
of cheapo speakers as monitors, with a super cheap amp.
I'm about to splash out on some real nearfield monitors and a real
monitoring amp, although I'll still be spending less than £350 (That's
UK pounds, in case the symbol doesn't come out as it should - there's
a reason I'm not sure it will, but let's not get into that).
came out fine here. I think it depends on the recipient system's locales
setting or something. With a nicer
monitoring setup, obviously I want a decent soundcard.
Does the Audiophile work well with ALSA? Are there any better
alternatives? Am I being silly, and can just somehow "fix" my
SBLive/ALSA setup?
The audiophile, like all ice1712 cards, is very well supported by alsa.
The delta series (44, 66, 1010, 1010lt) all use this same chipset and
driver, as do several good cards by some other manufacturers.
envy24control is a great mixer app included in the alsa-tools
specifically for use with these cards. Many linux users are happy with
their flavor of ice1712, myself included. On the other hand, you may be able to get more out of
your sblive using
the newer drivers.
For now, I'll certainly take a look at the new drivers, thanks.
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
5:37 a.m.
On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 02:41, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan, 2005 at 04:00PM -0500, Eric Dantan
Rzewnicki spake thus:
Hmm. Maybe I'll splash out on the Delta 44. I can get it for around
£100 ($200 ish).
But why get the 44 for $200 ish when the 1010LT is now $230 ish?
Even if you don't use all of the channels now you will later ;-)
Jan
On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 08:18:02PM +0000,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
I was more worried about Emacs' refusal to write it without C-q before
it. I thought it might decide to do some weird encoding. It has done
in the past.
Hi peeps.
Just looking for some quick advice about a new soundcard.
I'm looking at getting something like the M-Audio Audiophile 2496.
This is to replace a SB Live! Value.
Does this seem like a sensible (though cheap) move? I'm expecting a
better card.
Certainly.
The reason I'm thinking about changing to
something not hugely
dissimilar is because under ALSA, I'm rally not impressed with my SB.
The volumes seem wrong - loudest seems to clip before it's off the
card. I have no use for all those fancy effects that it does, since I
can't make use of them in my setup anyway.
There's been a thread going on for the past week or two on
linux-audio-user about an alternative driver for the emu10k1 cards. It
sounds like a lot more of the functionality is useable with this driver.
I didn't pay close attention to the thread, though, since I don't have
one of these cards. Check the archives.
Up until now, I've been using headphones
mostly, with a couple of sets
of cheapo speakers as monitors, with a super cheap amp.
I'm about to splash out on some real nearfield monitors and a real
monitoring amp, although I'll still be spending less than £350 (That's
UK pounds, in case the symbol doesn't come out as it should - there's
a reason I'm not sure it will, but let's not get into that).
came out fine here. I think it depends on the recipient system's locales
setting or something. With a
nicer monitoring setup, obviously I want a decent soundcard.
Does the Audiophile work well with ALSA? Are there any better
alternatives? Am I being silly, and can just somehow "fix" my
SBLive/ALSA setup?
The audiophile, like all ice1712 cards, is very well supported by alsa.
The delta series (44, 66, 1010, 1010lt) all use this same chipset and
driver, as do several good cards by some other manufacturers.
envy24control is a great mixer app included in the alsa-tools
specifically for use with these cards. Many linux users are happy with
their flavor of ice1712, myself included.
7:29 a.m.
On Fri, 28 Jan, 2005 at 04:14AM -0600, Jan Depner spake thus:
On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 02:41, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net
wrote:
Here they're selling at more like $350-$400. If the difference was
just £15, I'd buy that instead.
Plus the 1010LT doesn't have the breakout box, which I would find
quite handy.
On Thu, 27 Jan, 2005 at 04:00PM -0500, Eric
Dantan Rzewnicki spake thus:
Hmm. Maybe I'll splash out on the Delta 44. I can get it for around
£100 ($200 ish).
But why get the 44 for $200 ish when the 1010LT is now $230 ish?
Even if you don't use all of the channels now you will later ;-) On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 08:18:02PM +0000,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
I was more worried about Emacs' refusal to write it without C-q before
it. I thought it might decide to do some weird encoding. It has done
in the past.
Hi peeps.
Just looking for some quick advice about a new soundcard.
I'm looking at getting something like the M-Audio Audiophile 2496.
This is to replace a SB Live! Value.
Does this seem like a sensible (though cheap) move? I'm expecting a
better card.
Certainly.
The reason I'm thinking about changing to
something not hugely
dissimilar is because under ALSA, I'm rally not impressed with my SB.
The volumes seem wrong - loudest seems to clip before it's off the
card. I have no use for all those fancy effects that it does, since I
can't make use of them in my setup anyway.
There's been a thread going on for the past week or two on
linux-audio-user about an alternative driver for the emu10k1 cards. It
sounds like a lot more of the functionality is useable with this driver.
I didn't pay close attention to the thread, though, since I don't have
one of these cards. Check the archives.
Up until now, I've been using headphones
mostly, with a couple of sets
of cheapo speakers as monitors, with a super cheap amp.
I'm about to splash out on some real nearfield monitors and a real
monitoring amp, although I'll still be spending less than £350 (That's
UK pounds, in case the symbol doesn't come out as it should - there's
a reason I'm not sure it will, but let's not get into that).
came out fine here. I think it depends on the recipient system's locales
setting or something. With a
nicer monitoring setup, obviously I want a decent soundcard.
Does the Audiophile work well with ALSA? Are there any better
alternatives? Am I being silly, and can just somehow "fix" my
SBLive/ALSA setup?
The audiophile, like all ice1712 cards, is very well supported by alsa.
The delta series (44, 66, 1010, 1010lt) all use this same chipset and
driver, as do several good cards by some other manufacturers.
envy24control is a great mixer app included in the alsa-tools
specifically for use with these cards. Many linux users are happy with
their flavor of ice1712, myself included. Jan
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
1:39 p.m.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 04:14:04AM -0600, Jan Depner wrote:
On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 02:41, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net
wrote:
also note that the 44 and 66 don't have midi. the 1010(lt)s do as does
the audiophile. And to think I paid almost $400 for my omni studio (66 +
omni i/o preamp/mini-mixer/breakout box)!
--
Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Systems Engineer I
Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia
2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900
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On Thu, 27 Jan, 2005 at 04:00PM -0500, Eric
Dantan Rzewnicki spake thus:
But why get the 44 for $200 ish when the 1010LT is now $230
ish?
Even if you don't use all of the channels now you will later ;-) On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 08:18:02PM +0000,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
> Hi peeps.
Hmm. Maybe I'll splash out on the Delta 44. I can get it for
around
£100 ($200 ish). 
2:06 p.m.
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
Don't feel bad, preamps aren't cheap! I got just the 66+breakout box
(b'day gift from my wife), then later picked up a used Mackie 1202VLZ
mixer for the mic preamps, probably cost about the same total. As a
bonus, the mixer gave me a convenent place to add my old turntable and
cassette deck into the audio chain.
-Jamie
Even if you
don't use all of the channels now you will later ;-)
also note that the 44 and 66 don't have midi. the 1010(lt)s do as does
the audiophile. And to think I paid almost $400 for my omni studio (66 +
omni i/o preamp/mini-mixer/breakout box)!
3:06 p.m.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 01:06:46PM -0500, Jamie Guinan wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
Don't feel bad, preamps aren't
cheap! I got just the 66+breakout box
(b'day gift from my wife), then later picked up a used Mackie 1202VLZ
mixer for the mic preamps, probably cost about the same total. As a
bonus, the mixer gave me a convenent place to add my old turntable and
cassette deck into the audio chain.
Actually, the omni i/o is a handy little package. There are 4 stereo aux
ins, 2 of which can be routed to the delta 66 channels 1/2 and 3/4. I'm
actually still pleased with the purchase, but amazed at how cheap things
can get over time.
I am begininning to wish I had 2 more pre-amp channels, though.
--
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Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia
2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900
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Even if
you don't use all of the channels now you will later ;-)
also note that the 44
and 66 don't have midi. the 1010(lt)s do as does
the audiophile. And to think I paid almost $400 for my omni studio (66 +
omni i/o preamp/mini-mixer/breakout box)! 
10:57 a.m.
On Fri, 28 Jan, 2005 at 07:22AM -0500, Dave Phillips spake thus:
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
Good point, cheers.
Hmm. Maybe I'll splash out on the Delta 44.
I can get it for around
£100 ($200 ish).
Don't forget to look at eBay's listings. I picked up a new Delta 66 for
under $100 US. Best,
dp
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
27 Jan
27 Jan
6:23 p.m.
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 20:18 +0000, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
Hi peeps.
Just looking for some quick advice about a new soundcard.
I'm looking at getting something like the M-Audio Audiophile 2496.
This is to replace a SB Live! Value.
Does this seem like a sensible (though cheap) move? I'm expecting a
better card.
Make sure the tone control switch is muted. It's not enough to set bass
and treble to 0, you have to disable the switch.
I am working on improving the emu10k1 driver. But, the Audiophile is
certainly a better card. You get what you pay for, and the SBLive value
is pretty amazing for a $20 soundcard but it's still a $20 soundcard.
Lee
28 Jan
28 Jan
4:34 a.m.
On Thu, 27 Jan, 2005 at 05:23PM -0500, Lee Revell spake thus:
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 20:18 +0000,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
Well, that's not how it works on my card. I have to have the tone
control unmuted and the bass turned down to about 25% to stop
clipping. If I mute it, the volume seems equivalent to having them
both at 50%.
Stange.
Hi peeps.
Just looking for some quick advice about a new soundcard.
I'm looking at getting something like the M-Audio Audiophile 2496.
This is to replace a SB Live! Value.
Does this seem like a sensible (though cheap) move? I'm expecting a
better card.
Make sure the tone control switch is muted. It's not enough to set bass
and treble to 0, you have to disable the switch. I am working on improving the emu10k1 driver. But,
the Audiophile is
certainly a better card. You get what you pay for, and the SBLive value
is pretty amazing for a $20 soundcard but it's still a $20 soundcard.
It was $100 when I bought it, which is about how much I can get
the Audiophile for now. I'm just waiting for the cost of every other
item I want to fall to this price, too.
Lee
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
8:10 p.m.
On Friday 28 January 2005 03:35 am, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan, 2005 at 05:23PM -0500, Lee Revell
spake thus:
Maybe you've got AC97 capture up?
On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 20:18 +0000,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
Well, that's not how it works on my card. I have to have the tone
control unmuted and the bass turned down to about 25% to stop
clipping. If I mute it, the volume seems equivalent to having them
both at 50%.
Stange.
Hi peeps.
Just looking for some quick advice about a new soundcard.
I'm looking at getting something like the M-Audio Audiophile 2496.
This is to replace a SB Live! Value.
Does this seem like a sensible (though cheap) move? I'm expecting a
better card.
Make sure the tone control switch is muted. It's not enough to set bass
and treble to 0, you have to disable the switch. I am working
on improving the emu10k1 driver. But, the Audiophile is
certainly a better card. You get what you pay for, and the SBLive value
is pretty amazing for a $20 soundcard but it's still a $20 soundcard.
It was $100 when I bought it, which is about how much I can get
the Audiophile for now. I'm just waiting for the cost of every other
item I want to fall to this price, too.
> Lee
30 Jan
30 Jan
8:58 a.m.
On Fri, 28 Jan, 2005 at 07:10PM -0500, John Check spake thus:
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
On Friday 28 January 2005 03:35 am,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
I've had it up and down, but still this is reversed for me. Having
the bass and treble at less than 50% is quieter than muting the tone
control.
It seems I have managed to do my usual trick of buying the "magic"
version of a product. The one that's slightly different to everyone
else's, in odd ways.
On Thu, 27 Jan, 2005 at 05:23PM -0500, Lee Revell
spake thus:
Maybe you've got AC97 capture up? On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 20:18 +0000,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
Well, that's not how it works on my card. I have to have the tone
control unmuted and the bass turned down to about 25% to stop
clipping. If I mute it, the volume seems equivalent to having them
both at 50%.
Stange.
Hi peeps.
Just looking for some quick advice about a new soundcard.
I'm looking at getting something like the M-Audio Audiophile 2496.
This is to replace a SB Live! Value.
Does this seem like a sensible (though cheap) move? I'm expecting a
better card.
Make sure the tone control switch is muted. It's not enough to set bass
and treble to 0, you have to disable the switch. I am working on improving the emu10k1 driver. But,
the Audiophile is
certainly a better card. You get what you pay for, and the SBLive value
is pretty amazing for a $20 soundcard but it's still a $20 soundcard.
It was $100 when I bought it, which is about how much I can get
the Audiophile for now. I'm just waiting for the cost of every other
item I want to fall to this price, too.
> Lee
31 Jan
31 Jan
7:21 p.m.
On Sunday 30 January 2005 07:59 am, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan, 2005 at 07:10PM -0500, John Check
spake thus:
How is your cable routing? Do you have the CD inputs or any other internal
connectors to the soundcard hooked up? Do you have the soundcard next
to a videocard with a fan? I'm thinking about induced hum (dunno if you're
talking hum or hiss)
What mixer are you using? I'd go in with alsamixer (BTW the inputs and outputs
are on separate pages) turn down the monitors, turn all the captures down,
disarm as many record sources as possible then try to pin down whether its
coming through the hardware mixer or the AC97 section.
On Friday 28 January 2005 03:35 am,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
I've had it up and down, but still this is reversed for me. Having
the bass and treble at less than 50% is quieter than muting the tone
control.
It seems I have managed to do my usual trick of buying the "magic"
version of a product. The one that's slightly different to everyone
else's, in odd ways. On Thu, 27 Jan, 2005 at 05:23PM -0500, Lee Revell
spake thus:
Maybe you've got AC97 capture up? On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 20:18 +0000,
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
> Hi peeps.
>
> Just looking for some quick advice about a new soundcard.
>
> I'm looking at getting something like the M-Audio Audiophile 2496.
>
> This is to replace a SB Live! Value.
>
> Does this seem like a sensible (though cheap) move? I'm expecting
> a better card.
Make sure the tone control switch is muted. It's not enough to set
bass and treble to 0, you have to disable the switch.
Well, that's not how it works on my card. I have to have the tone
control unmuted and the bass turned down to about 25% to stop
clipping. If I mute it, the volume seems equivalent to having them
both at 50%.
Stange.
> > > I am working on improving the emu10k1 driver. But, the Audiophile is
> > > certainly a better card. You get what you pay for, and the SBLive
> > > value is pretty amazing for a $20 soundcard but it's still a $20
> > > soundcard.
> >
> > It was $100 when I bought it, which is about how much I can get
> > the Audiophile for now. I'm just waiting for the cost of every other
> > item I want to fall to this price, too.
> >
> > > Lee
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