10 Oct
2010
10 Oct
'10
6:59 a.m.
> BUT never ever a licenced Windows + a bought
Cubase will cause such an
> issue, assumed you didn't install a cracked Windows Office too.
clearly you have no idea who Jeff McClintock is, or you
wouldn't be
offensive.
;)
I do use licensed software. I am quite anti-piracy and have made submissions
to the government on the subject, even got a letter published in PC World
magazine.
Off-Topic: IMHO Piracy hurts Linux by providing a competing 'low cost'
alternative to *real* free (FOSS) software.
3:12 p.m.
New subject: on the soft synth midi jitters ...
On Sunday 10 October 2010 02:11:16 Geoff Beasley wrote:
On 10/10/2010 03:59 PM, Jeff McClintock wrote:
Except for calling it Piracy of course. the idea is accurate in my opinion
though.
Off-Topic: IMHO Piracy hurts Linux by providing a
competing 'low cost'
alternative to*real* free (FOSS) software.
well put
g.
all the best,
drew
10:01 a.m.
New subject: on the soft synth midi jitters ...
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:59 +1300, Jeff McClintock wrote:
I do use licensed software. I am quite anti-piracy
If so, than pardon :). Anyway strange, a lot of the famous studios did
use Cubase without getting jitter for soft synth, today those studios do
use Nuendo. I never experienced jitter for soft synth, when using Cubase
and I do hear allegedly inaudible jitter when using external MIDI
devices.
- Ralf
2:39 p.m.
New subject: on the soft synth midi jitters ...
On Sunday 10 October 2010, at 10.01.09, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-
dsl.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:59 +1300, Jeff McClintock
wrote:
Are they actually using the softsynths for monitor sound when *recording*
"live" MIDI?
I don't know how most people work these days, in my experience, one tends to
have the MIDI stuff sequenced and arranged already when arriving at the
studio, in which case "live" MIDI latency and jitter are no issues.
I do use licensed software. I am quite
anti-piracy
If so, than pardon :). Anyway strange, a lot of the famous studios did
use Cubase without getting jitter for soft synth, today those studios do
use Nuendo. I never experienced jitter for soft synth, when using
Cubase
and I do hear allegedly inaudible jitter when using external MIDI
devices.
There has to be quite a bit of jitter before one actually hears it as such,
and as to fixed latency, tolerances are even higher.
Most people apparently don't even hear the "random" timing that's
applied to
anything you play on a hardware synth driven via standard MIDI - but if you're
used to oldschool trackers and other software with sample accurate timing, you
can tell something is "off".
(Obviously, this would be next to impossible to notice unless we're dealing
with 100% quantized electronic music. "Human feel" would probably mask
anything that's off by less than one or two ms or so.)
As to live playing, I doubt a normal human being would even know what (s)he's
missing before actually trying something with sub 3 ms latency and sub 1 ms
jitter. You can't hear the difference, but you can certainly feel it! I
suspect drummers would be particularly sensitive to this.
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6:31 p.m.
New subject: on the soft synth midi jitters ...
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 14:39 +0200, David Olofson wrote:
C64 and Atari ST ;).
On Sunday 10 October 2010, at 10.01.09, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)alice-dsl.net> wrote:
;)
Nobody will bear costs for sequencing and arranging MIDI files in the
studio ;).
At the moment I'm supervising elementary school children, but working as
an audio engineer, but I'm quite sure you're right.
Anyway, jitter is a problem regarding to the feeling, when arranging a
song. For good reasons the Jazz musicians I know, don't use MIDI
sequencers.
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:59 +1300, Jeff
McClintock wrote:
> I do use licensed software. I am quite
anti-piracy
If so, than pardon :). Anyway strange, a lot of
the famous studios
did
use Cubase without getting jitter for soft synth,
today those
studios do
use Nuendo.
Are they actually using the softsynths for monitor sound when
*recording* "live" MIDI?
I don't know how most people work these days, in my experience, one
tends to have the MIDI stuff sequenced and arranged already when
arriving at the studio, in which case "live" MIDI latency and jitter
are no issues. I never experienced jitter for soft synth, when
using Cubase
and I do hear allegedly inaudible jitter when
using external MIDI
devices.
There has to be quite a bit of jitter before one actually hears it as
such, and as to fixed latency, tolerances are even higher.
Most people apparently don't even hear the "random" timing that's
applied to anything you play on a hardware synth driven via standard
MIDI - but if you're used to oldschool trackers and other software
with sample accurate timing, you can tell something is "off". (Obviously, this would be next to impossible to notice
unless we're
dealing with 100% quantized electronic music. "Human feel" would
probably mask anything that's off by less than one or two ms or so.)
As to live playing, I doubt a normal human being would even know what
(s)he's missing before actually trying something with sub 3 ms latency
and sub 1 ms jitter. You can't hear the difference, but you can
certainly feel it! I suspect drummers would be particularly sensitive
to this.
--
//David Olofson - Developer, Artist, Open Source Advocate
.--- Games, examples, libraries, scripting, sound, music, graphics
---.
| http://olofson.net http://kobodeluxe.com http://audiality.org |
| http://eel.olofson.net http://zeespace.net http://reologica.se |
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