27 Dec
2009
27 Dec
'09
11:25 a.m.
aseqmm is a C++ wrapper around the ALSA library sequencer interface using Qt4
objects, idioms and style. ALSA sequencer provides software support for MIDI
technology on Linux. Several examples are included in the source tree.
Library sources are bundled in KMetronome, KMidimon and KMid2 latest tarballs,
and by default it is statically linked to these programs so it is not
necessary to download or distribute the library as a standalone package. It
is recommended, though, if you are a packager and your distro already
includes two or more programs using it.
See the ChangeLog for API changes.
Copyright (C) 2009, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
License: GPL v2 or later
Online documentation
http://kmetronome.sourceforge.net/aseqmm/
Downloads
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmetronome/files/aseqmm/0.2.0/
openSUSE Build Service - RPM packages
http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=ALL&p=1&q=aseqmm
Regards,
Pedro
27 Dec
27 Dec
7:55 p.m.
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 04:25:11PM +0100, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
aseqmm is a C++ wrapper around the ALSA library
sequencer interface using Qt4
objects, idioms and style. ALSA sequencer provides software support for MIDI
technology on Linux. Several examples are included in the source tree.
hmm... maybe its just me. but to me the name aseqmm would imply it uses
sigc and gobjects.
wouldnt qaseq be amore appropriate name ?
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torben Hohn
28 Dec
28 Dec
1:33 p.m.
On Monday, December 28, 2009, torbenh wrote:
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 04:25:11PM +0100, Pedro
Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
I find quite amusing that such a name would be considered... hmm...
heretic? :-)
The ending in "mm" simply means to me something related to C++. Qt uses
standard C++ in despite of FUD and propaganda that has been spread everywhere
by zealots.
It is not likely to happen, but if somebody writes a wrapper around the ALSA
sequencer API using sigc, gobjects and other gnome friendly frameworks,
wouldn't be more appropriate to name it gaseq ?
Regards,
Pedro
aseqmm is a C++ wrapper around the ALSA library
sequencer interface using
Qt4 objects, idioms and style. ALSA sequencer provides software support
for MIDI technology on Linux. Several examples are included in the source
tree.
hmm... maybe its just me. but to me the name aseqmm would imply it uses
sigc and gobjects.
wouldnt qaseq be amore appropriate name ? 
7:37 p.m.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
<pedro.lopez.cabanillas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The ending in "mm" simply means to me
something related to C++. Qt uses
standard C++ in despite of FUD and propaganda that has been spread everywhere
by zealots.
zealots? i can't think of a single C++ related project whose name ends
in "mm" that is not in some what related to the work of murray cumming
and rest of the team that wrap GNOME in C++ bindings. am i missing
out?
It is not likely to happen, but if somebody writes a
wrapper around the ALSA
sequencer API using sigc, gobjects and other gnome friendly frameworks,
wouldn't be more appropriate to name it gaseq ?
sigc has nothing whatsoever to do with gnome.
gobjects have nothing whatsoever to do with any of the *mm wrappers,
fundamentally.
8:06 p.m.
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Paul Davis wrote:
On Monday, December 28, 2009, torbenh wrote:
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Pedro
Lopez-Cabanillas
<pedro.lopez.cabanillas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not willing to polemize with you, but my affirmation was very clear: Qt
uses standard C++ and the propaganda saying otherwise is FUD. I'm sorry if
you felt identified by the name "zealot".
On the other hand: the name I've given to my library is only my own bussines,
unless there is a clash with another piece of software with the same name. Is
there such thing?
The ending in "mm" simply means to me
something related to C++. Qt uses
standard C++ in despite of FUD and propaganda that has been spread
everywhere by zealots.
zealots? i can't think of a single C++ related project whose name ends
in "mm" that is not in some what related to the work of murray cumming
and rest of the team that wrap GNOME in C++ bindings. am i missing
out? It is not
likely to happen, but if somebody writes a wrapper around the
ALSA sequencer API using sigc, gobjects and other gnome friendly
frameworks, wouldn't be more appropriate to name it gaseq ?
sigc has nothing whatsoever to do with gnome.
gobjects have nothing whatsoever to do with any of the *mm wrappers,
fundamentally. hmm... maybe its just me. but to me the name aseqmm
would imply it uses
sigc and gobjects.
wouldnt qaseq be amore appropriate name ?
I've copied the original comment, that I've answered and you apparently can't
read.
Let's stop fighting about terminology, and tell me what is the true origin of
your wraith against me.
Regards,
Pedro
8:19 p.m.
On Monday 28 of December 2009 18:33:10 Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
The ending in "mm" simply means to me
something related to C++. Qt
uses standard C++ in despite of FUD and propaganda that has been
spread everywhere by zealots.
I don't care much about Qt being not quite standard C++, and even less
about the naming (though the "mm" suffix is somewhat misleading).
The simple fact is that for a project that does not use Qt anyway, it
makes little to no sense to depend on aseqmm. Which is a pity because it
seems very useful and well written :/
Cheers,
Dominic
29 Dec
29 Dec
7:45 a.m.
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Dominic Sacré wrote:
The simple fact is that for a project that does not
use Qt anyway, it
makes little to no sense to depend on aseqmm. Which is a pity because it
seems very useful and well written :/
Thanks. I understand that if a project doesn't want to use Qt, it shouldn't
depend on aseqmm. This library is used only by me, and was created to provide
a solution for my own applications: KMetronome, KMidimon and KMid2. All of
them are KDE applications, which depend on Qt anyway.
If there are developers wanting a different set of frameworks, they are free
to write a different wrapper. Look for instance to the Redland RDF library
wrappers: redlandmm on one side, Soprano and Dataquay on the other. Oh, I
would like to be more skilled creating bright and imaginative names!
My intention releasing this library is not world domination, nor a name war.
I'm not in posession of the absolute truth, and I don't trust people
pretending such a thing. I will be glad if somebody finds it useful, and
constructive criticism is always welcome.
Regards,
Pedro
28 Dec
28 Dec
8:24 p.m.
On Monday, December 28, 2009, torbenh wrote:
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 04:25:11PM +0100, Pedro
Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
Here is an example of another library (SDLmm) with a name ending in "mm" that
doesn't use sigc or gobjects: http://sdlmm.sourceforge.net
I really don't understand your orchestrated attack. What's really the problem,
the library name, or the mere existence of my project?
Regards,
Pedro
aseqmm is a C++ wrapper around the ALSA library
sequencer interface using
Qt4 objects, idioms and style. ALSA sequencer provides software support
for MIDI technology on Linux. Several examples are included in the source
tree.
hmm... maybe its just me. but to me the name aseqmm would imply it uses
sigc and gobjects.
wouldnt qaseq be amore appropriate name ?
11:46 p.m.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
<pedro.lopez.cabanillas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 28, 2009, torbenh wrote:
there's no orchestration.
i think that among those of us familiar with the 10-20 libraries whose
name ends in "mm", there is probably just a feeling that it typically
designates a related set of technology (and in fact, typically a
common way of generating C++ bindings semi-automatically from
marked-up C headers). you're free to call your library whatever you
want, it would just be helpful if its name didn't immediately suggest
that it was part of this same family of libraries.
i notice that SDLmm has not had a commit in nearly a year, and appears
to have been named under a similar belief as your own.
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 04:25:11PM +0100, Pedro
Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
Here is an example of another library (SDLmm) with a name ending in "mm" that
doesn't use sigc or gobjects: http://sdlmm.sourceforge.net
I really don't understand your orchestrated attack. What's really the problem,
the library name, or the mere existence of my project? aseqmm is a C++ wrapper around the ALSA library
sequencer interface using
Qt4 objects, idioms and style. ALSA sequencer provides software support
for MIDI technology on Linux. Several examples are included in the source
tree.
hmm... maybe its just me. but to me the name aseqmm would imply it uses
sigc and gobjects.
wouldnt qaseq be amore appropriate name ?
29 Dec
29 Dec
9:39 a.m.
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Paul Davis wrote:
i notice that SDLmm has not had a commit in nearly a
year, and appears
to have been named under a similar belief as your own.
Is it about belief? There is something about that in the Universal Declaration
of Human Rights. Article 18: "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought,
conscience and religion". I would also add the GUI toolkit and frameworks.
Maybe you know the text of a Law, or a sacred text source of the absolute
truth, where it is stated that a library name ending in "mm" must not be used
by those not belonging to the congregation of true believers, under pain of
heresy ?
Regards,
Pedro
9:50 a.m.
On 12/30/2009 12:39 AM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Paul Davis wrote:
I think it is more about the numbers game. Basically there is a pattern
that has been established by developers who have chosen to end their
apps names with mm. Your app falls outside of the pattern so it may be
confusing for people who come across it to learn that it is not adhering
to the pattern.
An analogy could be a sushi restaurant called "Bobs meat extravaganza".
Technically they do serve some meat in the restaurant but it's probably
going to be confusing for those who like to consume copious amounts of beef.
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
i notice that SDLmm has not had a commit in
nearly a year, and appears
to have been named under a similar belief as your own.
Is it about belief? There is something about that in the Universal
Declaration
of Human Rights. Article 18: "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought,
conscience and religion". I would also add the GUI toolkit and frameworks.
Maybe you know the text of a Law, or a sacred text source of the absolute
truth, where it is stated that a library name ending in "mm" must not be used
by those not belonging to the congregation of true believers, under pain of
heresy ?
Regards,
Pedro
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2:52 p.m.
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
On 12/30/2009 12:39 AM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
You are right, of course it is about numbers. There is a majority of people
imposing their point of view over a single one, that is alone and looks easy
to beat.
I can understand the frustration of a confused victim that reads "aseqmm" and
thinks it is something different of what it really is, then he reads the
description that says "This library is a C++ wrapper around the ALSA library
sequencer interface, using Qt4 objects, idioms and style". This poor victim
must be protected, even if that means stoning me preventively.
So, I am thinking about changing the name of the library for "Lapidation" in
the next release. It will be interesting to write a little chapter for the
documentation, explaining the name's history and why it had to be changed.
What do you think?
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Paul Davis wrote:
I think it is more about the numbers game. Basically there is a pattern
that has been established by developers who have chosen to end their
apps names with mm. Your app falls outside of the pattern so it may be
confusing for people who come across it to learn that it is not adhering
to the pattern. i notice that SDLmm has not had a commit in
nearly a year, and appears
to have been named under a similar belief as your own.
Is it about belief? There is something about that in the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights. Article 18: "Everyone has the right to
freedom of thought, conscience and religion". I would also add the GUI
toolkit and frameworks.
Maybe you know the text of a Law, or a sacred text source of the absolute
truth, where it is stated that a library name ending in "mm" must not be
used by those not belonging to the congregation of true believers, under
pain of heresy ? An analogy could be a sushi restaurant called
"Bobs meat extravaganza".
Technically they do serve some meat in the restaurant but it's probably
going to be confusing for those who like to consume copious amounts of
beef.
I don't imagine a crowd of angry people complaining the restaurant's owner to
force him to change the name. If you don't like the meal or the name, you
should avoid dinning there. That's all.
I feel part of the community of Linux Audio Developers. I know that there is a
majority using certain toolkits and technologies, they are different to mine.
I'm alone or among a little minority. And so what? Are we developers or
sheep?
Regards,
Pedro
9:36 p.m.
On 12/30/2009 05:52 AM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Probably a more likely scenario is that a user who is knowledgable in
such things will read the description and think "Hmmm, that's a strange
name for such a library, I wonder what other interesting design choices
have been made".
Btw, you are free to perceive this as constructive feedback or simply
criticism. I have no intent on the latter though.
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
On 12/30/2009 12:39 AM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
wrote:
You are right, of course it is about numbers. There is a majority of people
imposing their point of view over a single one, that is alone and looks easy
to beat.
I can understand the frustration of a confused victim that reads "aseqmm" and
thinks it is something different of what it really is, then he reads the
description that says "This library is a C++ wrapper around the ALSA library
sequencer interface, using Qt4 objects, idioms and style". This poor victim
must be protected, even if that means stoning me preventively.
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Paul Davis wrote:
I think it is more about the numbers game. Basically there is a pattern
that has been established by developers who have chosen to end their
apps names with mm. Your app falls outside of the pattern so it may be
confusing for people who come across it to learn that it is not adhering
to the pattern.
i notice that SDLmm has not had a commit in
nearly a year, and appears
to have been named under a similar belief as your own.
Is it about belief? There is something about that in the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights. Article 18: "Everyone has the right to
freedom of thought, conscience and religion". I would also add the GUI
toolkit and frameworks.
Maybe you know the text of a Law, or a sacred text source of the absolute
truth, where it is stated that a library name ending in "mm" must not be
used by those not belonging to the congregation of true believers, under
pain of heresy ?
So, I am thinking about changing the name of the
library for "Lapidation" in
the next release. It will be interesting to write a little chapter for the
documentation, explaining the name's history and why it had to be changed.
What do you think?
An analogy could be a sushi restaurant called
"Bobs meat extravaganza".
Technically they do serve some meat in the restaurant but it's probably
going to be confusing for those who like to consume copious amounts of
beef.
I don't imagine a crowd of angry people complaining the restaurant's
owner to
force him to change the name. If you don't like the meal or the name, you
should avoid dinning there. That's all.
I feel part of the community of Linux Audio Developers. I know that there is a
majority using certain toolkits and technologies, they are different to mine.
I'm alone or among a little minority. And so what? Are we developers or
sheep?
Regards,
Pedro
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30 Dec
30 Dec
3:42 p.m.
didn't "mm" originally mean "minus minus", as a joke against C
"plus plus" ? I could be wrong though.
Seriously, who gives a shit ? This dude is also quite creative when it comes to picking
names :
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Con-Kolivas-Introduces-New-BFS-Sc…
J.
--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com> wrote:
From: Patrick Shirkey
<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com>
Subject: Re: [LAD] [ANN] aseqmm 0.2.0 released
To: linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:34 PM
On 12/30/2009 05:52 AM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
a majority of
people
Probably a more likely scenario is that a user who is
knowledgable in
such things will read the description and think "Hmmm,
that's a strange
name for such a library, I wonder what other interesting
design choices
have been made".
Btw, you are free to perceive this as constructive feedback
or simply
criticism. I have no intent on the latter though.
Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd
>> An analogy could be a sushi
restaurant called
"Bobs meat extravaganza".
the
restaurant's owner to
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On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Patrick Shirkey
wrote:
> On 12/30/2009 12:39 AM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Paul Davis
wrote:
>>
>>> i notice that SDLmm has not had a commit
in nearly a year, and
appears
>>> to have been named under a similar
belief
as your own.
>>>
>> Is it about belief? There is something about
that in the Universal
>> Declaration of Human Rights. Article 18:
"Everyone has the right to
>> freedom of thought, conscience and
religion".
I would also add the GUI
>> toolkit and frameworks.
>>
>> Maybe you know the text of a Law, or a sacred
text source of the absolute
>> truth, where it is stated that a library
name
ending in "mm" must not be
>> used by those not belonging to the
congregation of true believers, under
>> pain of heresy ?
>>
> I think it is more about the numbers game.
Basically there is a pattern
> that has been established by developers who
have
chosen to end their
> apps names with mm. Your app falls outside of
the
pattern so it may be
> confusing for people who come across it to
learn
that it is not adhering
to the
pattern.
You are right, of course it is about numbers. There is imposing their point of view over a single one,
that
is alone and looks easy
to beat.
I can understand the frustration of a confused victim
that reads
"aseqmm" and
thinks it is something different of what it
really is,
then he reads the
description that says "This library is a C++
wrapper
around the ALSA library
sequencer interface, using Qt4 objects, idioms
and
style". This poor victim
must be protected, even if that means stoning me
preventively.
So, I am thinking about changing the name of the
library for "Lapidation" in
the next release. It will be interesting to write
a
little chapter for the
documentation, explaining the name's history
and why
it had to be changed.
> What do you think?
>
> Technically they do serve some meat in the
restaurant but it's probably
> going to be confusing for those who like to
consume copious amounts of
beef.
I don't imagine a crowd of angry people complaining force him to change the name. If you don't
like the
meal or the name, you
should avoid dinning there. That's all.
I feel part of the community of Linux Audio
Developers. I know that there is a
majority using certain toolkits and technologies,
they
are different to mine.
I'm alone or among a little minority. And so
what? Are
we developers or
> sheep?
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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29 Dec
29 Dec
10 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 14:39 +0100, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Paul Davis wrote:
I'm glad that we finally see someone fighting for humanistic ideals, for
freedom of thought, speech and religion, truth and justice here, in the
dark pits of ignorance and isolationism. You, Pedro, are a true champion
of humankind!
Expectations that follow from conventions are a lie, breaking them is
true enlightened justice and who disagrees clearly doesn't like Qt for
inhuman reasons.
--
Thorsten Wilms
thorwil's design for free software:
http://thorwil.wordpress.com/
i notice that SDLmm has not had a commit in
nearly a year, and appears
to have been named under a similar belief as your own.
Is it about belief? There is something about that in the Universal Declaration
of Human Rights. Article 18: "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought,
conscience and religion". I would also add the GUI toolkit and frameworks.
Maybe you know the text of a Law, or a sacred text source of the absolute
truth, where it is stated that a library name ending in "mm" must not be used
by those not belonging to the congregation of true believers, under pain of
heresy ?
2:33 p.m.
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 14:39 +0100, Pedro
Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
I've seen the movie. A Monty Python's masterpice.
(The Stoning Place. A LAD OFFICIAL stands there, with some helpers,
confronting the potential stonee, PEDRO. A large crowd watches. 90% are
women in beards. Around there are a few Roman troops.)
Official: Pedro, developer of Qt based applications ...
Pedro: Do I say "Yes"?
Official's Helper: Yes.
Pedro: Yes.
Official: You have been found guilty by the elders of the town of uttering
the name of the library and so as a blasphemer you are to be stoned to
death.
Pedro: Look, I'd had a lovely supper and all I said was, "Let's release this
little library as 'aseqmm'".
Official: Blasphemy! He's said it again.
Pedro: Look. I don't think it ought to be blasphemy, just saying "aseqmm!"
(voices) He said it again.
Official: (to Pedro) You're only making it worse for yourself.
(...)
At the end of the scene, several women carry a huge rock and drop it on the
Official. Everybody claps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erthun0Pauc
Regards,
Pedro
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, Paul Davis wrote:
I'm glad that we finally see someone fighting for humanistic ideals, for
freedom of thought, speech and religion, truth and justice here, in the
dark pits of ignorance and isolationism. You, Pedro, are a true champion
of humankind!
Expectations that follow from conventions are a lie, breaking them is
true enlightened justice and who disagrees clearly doesn't like Qt for
inhuman reasons. i notice that SDLmm has not had a commit in
nearly a year, and appears
to have been named under a similar belief as your own.
Is it about belief? There is something about that in the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights. Article 18: "Everyone has the right to
freedom of thought, conscience and religion". I would also add the GUI
toolkit and frameworks.
Maybe you know the text of a Law, or a sacred text source of the absolute
truth, where it is stated that a library name ending in "mm" must not be
used by those not belonging to the congregation of true believers, under
pain of heresy ?
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