On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 21:09 +0200, paniq(a)paniq.org wrote: JACK JACK JACK JACK. http://jackit.sf.net I don't know about this - the common plugin formats on Linux (LADSPA and DSSI) are so simple that they hardly need a library. Maybe you can steal parts of an existing plugin host. No idea about this one... gstreamer maybe? PS. Please don't start a new topic by replying to an unrelated email, it's very confusing for mail clients that uses the "References:" or "In-Reply-To:" tags to thread discussions. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E

On 7/18/05, paniq(a)paniq.org <paniq(a)paniq.org> wrote: In KMail its just clicking on the address of the emails. At least if you use the fancy headers inside preview. Arnold -- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern könnte, würde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen.

I believe you can find code for this in the mixxx sources. I think the classes used there provide all you ask for except for the 'good documentation'. They also aren't 'librarized' but maybe you can do that yourself?

On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 08:29 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Couldn't someone in a country without software patents code an MP3 write module that could be distributed as a patch or separate version of libsndfile? Or are the Fraunhofer patents more than just pure software patents? Although the only reason I can think of for writing MP3s is to export files to old hardware audio players that don't support Vorbis. -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E

Oliver Frommel wrote: Way too much for a Free Software developer like me. And how would I recover the costs? Yes, they could but why would they? Erik -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ Erik de Castro Lopo nospam(a)mega-nerd.com (Yes it's valid) +-----------------------------------------------------------+ "It's pretty simple. [Large companies are] allowed to own either a content creation empire - a studio or label - or a playback device empire (Walkmans, or PCs). But ... can't have both." -- Andrew Orlowski

are you blind? the only reason it hasn't defeated mp3 is that the overwhelming majority of all compressed music format music players do not support it. do you have any idea how hard it is for a windows user to play even an ogg file? its like a bizarre inverse of the situation on some linux distros, where you can play oggs but not mp3's out of the box, and fixing it means tracking down an obscure repository and figuring out which of the many mp3-related packages you need. ugh, not ogg. there is almost no support for an alternative psycho-acoustic compression scheme within the commercial world. they already have mp3, and those that use it have paid their licenses; they also have WMA to contend with, and RealAudio as a distant third. companies don't want ogg, 95% of the userbase doesn't even know it exists, and when told about it, my guess is that most of them wouldn't care to dig further. the business phrase "barriers to entry" springs to mind here. like most walls, it may eventually fade, but the one that mp3 has set up is a well constructed, many-feet-of-reinforced-concrete-thick affair. --p

Paul Davis wrote: I only respond because I feel that this may mislead any passing Windows user who happens to read this post. I've never had a single problem playing an ogg vorbis file in Windows. For example, Winamp plays ogg files, and is very simple to download and install. I believe you can also get codecs to play ogg files in DirectShow media players (including Windows Media Player). Look here: http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/ There are undoubtedly some (very inexperienced) Windows users who might not want (or may not be able) to work out how to do any of this this. However, that is *not* because it is "hard" to play oggs in Windows. At worst, it is slightly inconvenient; but it is not a difficult thing, at least in my experience. Maybe there are other difficulties, which I haven't heard of. Regards, Michael Nelson PS Thanks Paul, for all the invaluable work you've done. I just got ardour recording from my soundcard for the first time last night. I've been looking forward to this moment for almost three years now!

On Saturday 23 July 2005 16:44, Paul Davis wrote: i doubt his knowledgeability. yes it does. no problem. install winamp 5, drag an ogg onto it, et voila. but dont ask about ogm. the support is terrible, but its still possible to get it to run. ;) -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.paniq.org -- http://www.mjoo.org

On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 16:31 +0100, Michael T D Nelson wrote: Most Windows users reaction to Winamp is "wow, that's still around?" Like it or not it's a WMP world. Lee

On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 14:11 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: Of course, WMP is supposed to download the codec from Microsoft's site if it encounters an unknown format. I'd be interested to see how they explain this not working for .ogg. Lee

Hi again Sorry, I had another relevant thought. I have always found playing oggs in Windows to be completely hassle-free, possibly because I've always used Winamp, and kept it up to date semi-regularly. By the time I first came across an ogg file, Winamp supported it "out of the box". In contrast, I have had far more trouble playing formats like RealMedia, wma, and so forth. I have downloaded countless codecs and media players in an attempt to play some wmv files. Regards Michael Nelson

On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 13:39 +0200, Leonard "paniq" Ritter wrote: I disagree. Which sounds most awkward, "Vorbis" or "Em Pee Three"? -- Lars Luthman PGP key: http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/pgp_key.php Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E

Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: To make their customers happy? E.g., anyone who wants to use Linux but still owns a hardware mp3 player which doesn't support ogg vorbis. In any case, it would really be a feat if libsndfile got support for reading/writing ogg vorbis and at least reading mp3. :) Albert -- Dr. Albert Gr"af Dept. of Music-Informatics, University of Mainz, Germany Email: Dr.Graef(a)t-online.de, ag(a)muwiinfa.geschichte.uni-mainz.de WWW: http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag

On Saturday 23 July 2005 00:29, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: if 2) is missing that wouldnt hurt. i dont like mp3 anyway. realtime streaming means that it should be possible to stream audio in very small chunks of data e.g. 64 samples per frame. leonard

On Saturday 23 July 2005 14:59, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: the out-of-the-box ogg vorbis lib e.g. chooses the amount of samples it dispenses based on the number of frames it had decoded. if you want to read blockwise, that is: based on a blocksize that _you_ want, you have to chop up and merge the blocks that the lib gives you. if a lib guarantees to always mix as many samples as i require, it is out-of-the-box ready for blockwise streaming, even with small blocks of data. -- -- leonard "paniq" ritter -- http://www.paniq.org -- http://www.mjoo.org

On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 08:29:30AM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Hi, Here's an update about Ogg support in libsndfile. This was posted to libsndfile-devel a few days ago. ----- Support for Ogg Vorbis and Speex formats in libsndfile has not yet been released. This is mostly my fault :-) I provided an initial implementation sometime last year, but it does not yet pass all libsndfile's required feature tests. It does, however, fairly usefully decode, seek and encode both Ogg Vorbis and Speex files. It may be useful for some of you to experiment with, and help with further development and testing would be very much appreciated. In order to do so, you will need to build the --hack branch of libsndfile from Eriks' arch repository. To retrieve this using tla: tla register-archive http://www.mega-nerd.com/Arch/2004/ tla get erikd(a)mega-nerd.com--2004/libsndfile--hack--0 Ogg support requires liboggz and libfishsound: http://www.annodex.net/software/liboggz/ http://www.annodex.net/software/libfishsound/ The release tarballs of each of these are fine. I recommend liboggz >= 0.9.1 (0.9.1 was released April 8 2005, 0.9.2 last week), and libfishsound == 0.7.0. libfishsound prior to 0.7.0 did not contain some API calls that libsndfile's Ogg support is using, so we previously recommended checking out libfishsound from svn.annodex.net. This is no longer necessary -- the release tarball is fine. In fact current releases are no longer coming from trunk, but maintained in http://svn.annodex.net/libfishsound/branches/1.0-stable/ Once you get that all built and installed, your favourite libsndfile apps should happily support Ogg Vorbis and Speex files (as well as the audio tracks of Ogg Theora files :). However, libsndfile's 'make check' test suite currently doesn't pass, so feel free to investigate why ;-) The secret codename for libfishsound 0.7.0 is the Happy Lucky Libsndfile Release. Enjoy :) Conrad.