7 Mar
2009
7 Mar
'09
8:39 a.m.
Hi,
Many of the people of the Linux audio community uses Debian or a Debian
based distro (Ubuntu (Studio), 64Studio, Musix, Sidux, Mepis etc. etc.).
Most of those distro's uses and rebuild the packages of Debian (unstable).
There are a lot of audio packages build by the Debian Multimedia Team,
but there are also a lot which are not in Debian yet (and so also not in
Ubuntu (Studio), Sidux, 64studio etc.)
So there is a need for more people who wants to contribute to the Debian
Multimedia Team. Again, you don't have to be a plain Debian user to
contribute or to take advantage of it. You will help to improve the
state of Linux audio in general (at least the Debian based distro's and
their community), which will be good for us all, but also for newbies
who are not able yet to build all the packages themselves to enjoy all
the nice things Linux audio has to offer. Also note that it is possible
to build Debian unstable packages on other distro's then Debian itself
(search for Pbuilder on the Internet for instance)!
It will also be good for the Linux audio developers and their software.
It would be more easy to install, use, test and enjoy the software by
the Linux audio community!
There are a lot of people these day who has an own (PPA) repo. This is
ok, (and maybe it will be a good thing if the Linux audio developers
make their packages available as much as possible in a Debian unstable
repo/package, so it can be used on Debian and it is easy to rebuild it
for Debian based distro's),
But to bundle forces and to get safe, stable and quality packages,
joining the Debian Multimedia Team will get much better quality packages
and you will help far more people then having your solo private repo...
*Why the Debian Multimedia Team? *
1) Because they want to improve Debian for music production!
2) Debian has an flexible, fast and easy package management
3) A lot of people use Debian (based) distro's, Debian itself, Ubuntu
(Studio), 64studio, Sidux, Mepis etc.
4) You will learn to build quality packages
5) You don't have to become a Debian developer (DD), you can just become
and stay a package maintainer.
*What can I do?*
1) Build or improve packages for the Debian Multimedia Team. It's
recommended to maintain packages you use yourself often.
2) Report bugs and wishes
3) Join the Debian multimedia team mailing list:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia/
*Where can I find more info?*
Wiki:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia
Packaging:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/DevelopPackaging
Existing packages which needs help:
http://wnpp.debian.net/
Debian New Maintainers' guide:
http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ (!)
Bugs:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=maint&data=debian-mu…
It would be great if you choose one package which you uses a lot and
maintain it for the Debian Multimedia Team! It would improve the quality
of Linux audio and it will help the whole community!
Kind regards,
\r
ps. If you like to join, please subscribe to the Debian Multimedia Team
mailinglist and ask for more information:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia/
8 Mar
8 Mar
3:12 p.m.
New subject: Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Hi,
Many of the people of the Linux audio community uses Debian or a
Debian based distro (Ubuntu (Studio), 64Studio, Musix, Sidux, Mepis
etc. etc.). Most of those distro's uses and rebuild the packages of
Debian (unstable).
There are a lot of audio packages build by the Debian Multimedia Team,
but there are also a lot which are not in Debian yet (and so also not
in Ubuntu (Studio), Sidux, 64studio etc.)
So there is a need for more people who wants to contribute to the
Debian Multimedia Team. Again, you don't have to be a plain Debian
user to contribute or to take advantage of it. You will help to
improve the state of Linux audio in general (at least the Debian based
distro's and their community), which will be good for us all, but also
for newbies who are not able yet to build all the packages themselves
to enjoy all the nice things Linux audio has to offer. Also note that
it is possible to build Debian unstable packages on other distro's
then Debian itself (search for Pbuilder on the Internet for instance)!
It will also be good for the Linux audio developers and their
software. It would be more easy to install, use, test and enjoy the
software by the Linux audio community!
There are a lot of people these day who has an own (PPA) repo. This is
ok, (and maybe it will be a good thing if the Linux audio developers
make their packages available as much as possible in a Debian unstable
repo/package, so it can be used on Debian and it is easy to rebuild it
for Debian based distro's),
But to bundle forces and to get safe, stable and quality packages,
joining the Debian Multimedia Team will get much better quality
packages and you will help far more people then having your solo
private repo...
*Why the Debian Multimedia Team? *
1) Because they want to improve Debian for music production!
2) Debian has an flexible, fast and easy package management
3) A lot of people use Debian (based) distro's, Debian itself, Ubuntu
(Studio), 64studio, Sidux, Mepis etc.
4) You will learn to build quality packages
5) You don't have to become a Debian developer (DD), you can just
become and stay a package maintainer.
*What can I do?*
1) Build or improve packages for the Debian Multimedia Team. It's
recommended to maintain packages you use yourself often.
2) Report bugs and wishes
3) Join the Debian multimedia team mailing list:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia/
*Where can I find more info?*
Wiki:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia
Packaging:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/DevelopPackaging
Existing packages which needs help:
http://wnpp.debian.net/
Debian New Maintainers' guide:
http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ (!)
Bugs:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=maint&data=debian-mu…
It would be great if you choose one package which you uses a lot and
maintain it for the Debian Multimedia Team! It would improve the
quality of Linux audio and it will help the whole community!
The email address of the Debian Multimedia Team has changed to:
pkg-multimedia-maintainers(a)lists.alioth.debian.org
Some people already took the step and are trying to build there first
package for the Debian Multimedia Team right now! :)
Don't hesitate to join too!
Kind regards,
\r
14 Mar
14 Mar
7:49 a.m.
New subject: Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
The MOTUMedia team makes multimedia packages for Ubuntu and works close
together with the Debian Multimedia Team. So if you are an Ubuntero, the
best thing you could do is to subscribe to both teams!
https://launchpad.net/~motumedia
For the Debian Multimedia Team, new people are now working on:
Rakarrack
Jkmeters
Frescobaldi
klick (gtklick)
among others...
This is great! :)
There are some packages which I (and others) do miss in Debian/ Ubuntu:
- LV2
- LV2 plugins
- Ingen, zynjacku and zyn
- jconv
- jack_mixer or livemix
- whysynth
- freeverb3
- (guitarix, don't know if it is ready for implementation yet)
So if you like to maintain one of these packages or others, please join!
Would be very nice!
Thanks in advance,
\r
Hi,
Many of the people of the Linux audio community uses Debian or a
Debian based distro (Ubuntu (Studio), 64Studio, Musix, Sidux, Mepis
etc. etc.). Most of those distro's uses and rebuild the packages of
Debian (unstable).
There are a lot of audio packages build by the Debian Multimedia
Team, but there are also a lot which are not in Debian yet (and so
also not in Ubuntu (Studio), Sidux, 64studio etc.)
So there is a need for more people who wants to contribute to the
Debian Multimedia Team. Again, you don't have to be a plain Debian
user to contribute or to take advantage of it. You will help to
improve the state of Linux audio in general (at least the Debian
based distro's and their community), which will be good for us all,
but also for newbies who are not able yet to build all the packages
themselves to enjoy all the nice things Linux audio has to offer.
Also note that it is possible to build Debian unstable packages on
other distro's then Debian itself (search for Pbuilder on the
Internet for instance)!
It will also be good for the Linux audio developers and their
software. It would be more easy to install, use, test and enjoy the
software by the Linux audio community!
There are a lot of people these day who has an own (PPA) repo. This
is ok, (and maybe it will be a good thing if the Linux audio
developers make their packages available as much as possible in a
Debian unstable repo/package, so it can be used on Debian and it is
easy to rebuild it for Debian based distro's),
But to bundle forces and to get safe, stable and quality packages,
joining the Debian Multimedia Team will get much better quality
packages and you will help far more people then having your solo
private repo...
*Why the Debian Multimedia Team? *
1) Because they want to improve Debian for music production!
2) Debian has an flexible, fast and easy package management
3) A lot of people use Debian (based) distro's, Debian itself, Ubuntu
(Studio), 64studio, Sidux, Mepis etc.
4) You will learn to build quality packages
5) You don't have to become a Debian developer (DD), you can just
become and stay a package maintainer.
*What can I do?*
1) Build or improve packages for the Debian Multimedia Team. It's
recommended to maintain packages you use yourself often.
2) Report bugs and wishes
3) Join the Debian multimedia team mailing list:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia/
*Where can I find more info?*
Wiki:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia
Packaging:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/DevelopPackaging
Existing packages which needs help:
http://wnpp.debian.net/
Debian New Maintainers' guide:
http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ (!)
Bugs:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=maint&data=debian-mu…
It would be great if you choose one package which you uses a lot and
maintain it for the Debian Multimedia Team! It would improve the
quality of Linux audio and it will help the whole community!
The email address of the Debian Multimedia Team has changed to:
pkg-multimedia-maintainers(a)lists.alioth.debian.org
Some people already took the step and are trying to build there first
package for the Debian Multimedia Team right now! :)
Don't hesitate to join too!
8 Mar
8 Mar
7:15 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
Hi,
Many of the people of the Linux audio community uses Debian or a Debian
based distro (Ubuntu (Studio), 64Studio, Musix, Sidux, Mepis etc. etc.).
Most of those distro's uses and rebuild the packages of Debian (unstable).
There are a lot of audio packages build by the Debian Multimedia Team,
but there are also a lot which are not in Debian yet (and so also not in
Ubuntu (Studio), Sidux, 64studio etc.)
So there is a need for more people who wants to contribute to the Debian
Multimedia Team. Again, you don't have to be a plain Debian user to
contribute or to take advantage of it. You will help to improve the
state of Linux audio in general (at least the Debian based distro's and
their community), which will be good for us all, but also for newbies
who are not able yet to build all the packages themselves to enjoy all
the nice things Linux audio has to offer. Also note that it is possible
to build Debian unstable packages on other distro's then Debian itself
(search for Pbuilder on the Internet for instance)!
It will also be good for the Linux audio developers and their software.
It would be more easy to install, use, test and enjoy the software by
the Linux audio community!
There are a lot of people these day who has an own (PPA) repo. This is
ok, (and maybe it will be a good thing if the Linux audio developers
make their packages available as much as possible in a Debian unstable
repo/package, so it can be used on Debian and it is easy to rebuild it
for Debian based distro's),
But to bundle forces and to get safe, stable and quality packages,
joining the Debian Multimedia Team will get much better quality packages
and you will help far more people then having your solo private repo...
*Why the Debian Multimedia Team? *
1) Because they want to improve Debian for music production!
2) Debian has an flexible, fast and easy package management
3) A lot of people use Debian (based) distro's, Debian itself, Ubuntu
(Studio), 64studio, Sidux, Mepis etc.
4) You will learn to build quality packages
5) You don't have to become a Debian developer (DD), you can just become
and stay a package maintainer.
*What can I do?*
1) Build or improve packages for the Debian Multimedia Team. It's
recommended to maintain packages you use yourself often.
2) Report bugs and wishes
3) Join the Debian multimedia team mailing list:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia/
*Where can I find more info?*
Wiki:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia
Packaging:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/DevelopPackaging
Existing packages which needs help:
http://wnpp.debian.net/
Debian New Maintainers' guide:
http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ (!)
Bugs:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=maint&data=debian-
multimedia%40lists.debian.org&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable
It would be great if you choose one package which you uses a lot and
maintain it for the Debian Multimedia Team! It would improve the quality
of Linux audio and it will help the whole community!
Kind regards,
\r
ps. If you like to join, please subscribe to the Debian Multimedia Team
mailinglist and ask for more information:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia/
I think these kinds of initiatives are exactly the kind of stuff we would
like to host under the linuxaudio.org. Ideally, we would like to maintain
some sense of coherence as far as audio resources are concerned. Hence, if
interested, it would be nice to establish some sort of bi-lateral
collaboration and/or online presence.
Best wishes,
Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
Director, Linuxaudio.org
Virginia Tech
Dept. of Music - 0240
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
(540) 231-5034 (fax)
ico(a)linuxaudio.org
www.linuxadio.org
7:30 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
I think these kinds of initiatives are exactly the
kind of stuff we would
like to host under the linuxaudio.org. Ideally, we would like to maintain
some sense of coherence as far as audio resources are concerned. Hence, if
interested, it would be nice to establish some sort of bi-lateral
collaboration and/or online presence.
I'm sorry, but what does linuxaudio.org have to do with this?
The Debian Multimedia team is about packaging audio stuff for Debian.
This effort is to build and maintain Debian packages for Debian
(which will then flow into all the other Debian derived distributions).
It uses the Debian process which exists now and works well. The
Debain process includes a mechanism for veting contributors, providing
access to resources, test building packages across all supported
platforms, and then distributing those packages across the world to
as many people as want them.
To try and replicate a quarter of what Debian provides outside Debian
is huge effort and likely to be a huge waste of time.
Erik
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8:25 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
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Subject: Re: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state
of Linux audio)
Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
I think you are missing my point. I am not proposing to start a replica of
the Debian Multimedia initiative under the auspices of linuxaudio.org.
Rather, I am proposing that their efforts are somehow integrated into
linuxaudio.org online resources, whether that be via a webpage that provides
additional info on the initiative, mirroring of packages, dev mailing list,
etc.
Ultimately, the goal is to minimize fragmentation of supporting information
and therefore improve ability to cross-pollinate latest findings (e.g.
troubleshooting particular rt-kernel release, compile issues on certain
platforms, etc.), minimize redundancy, improve cross-distro transparency.
Ico
I think these kinds of initiatives are exactly
the kind of stuff we
would
like to host under the linuxaudio.org. Ideally,
we would like to
maintain
some sense of coherence as far as audio resources
are concerned. Hence,
if
interested, it would be nice to establish some
sort of bi-lateral
collaboration and/or online presence.
I'm sorry, but what does linuxaudio.org have to do with this?
The Debian Multimedia team is about packaging audio stuff for Debian.
This effort is to build and maintain Debian packages for Debian
(which will then flow into all the other Debian derived distributions).
It uses the Debian process which exists now and works well. The
Debain process includes a mechanism for veting contributors, providing
access to resources, test building packages across all supported
platforms, and then distributing those packages across the world to
as many people as want them.
To try and replicate a quarter of what Debian provides outside Debian
is huge effort and likely to be a huge waste of time.
Erik 
9 Mar
9 Mar
8:12 a.m.
New subject: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:25:38 -0400, "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <ico(a)vt.edu> wrote:
I think you are missing my point. I am not proposing
to start a replica
of
the Debian Multimedia initiative under the auspices of
linuxaudio.org.
Rather, I am proposing that their efforts are somehow integrated into
linuxaudio.org online resources, whether that be via a webpage that
provides
additional info on the initiative, mirroring of packages, dev mailing
list,
etc.
Ultimately, the goal is to minimize fragmentation of supporting
information
and therefore improve ability to cross-pollinate
latest findings (e.g.
troubleshooting particular rt-kernel release, compile issues on certain
platforms, etc.), minimize redundancy, improve cross-distro transparency.
Hey Ico,
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you mean. While I would
encourage the people from the Debian Multimedia Team to subscribe to a list
like linux-audio-tuning to discuss tuning issues and grab ideas from here,
I don't see how we could provide mirroring or any kind of services like
this (we have limited resources), and even if we could, I don't see why
*we* should do it.
If I understood the original mail correctly, this initiative is meant to be
integrated to *Debian*, and is meant to make the *Debian* distro better,
because it is *Debian* which has issues with linux-audio. Why should
linux-audio chime in ?
Cheers,
Marc-Olivier Barre.
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8:44 a.m.
New subject: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
MarcO'Chapeau wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:25:38 -0400, "Ivica Ico
Bukvic" <ico(a)vt.edu> wrote:
Contributing to the Debian Multimedia Team will not only make the Debian
distro better, but also Ubuntu (studio), 64studio, Musix, Sidux and
other derivatives! Notice for instance the fact that packages in Debian
unstable will hit Ubuntu too.
However, maybe the question is how linuxaudio.org can support and
stimulate people and teams to become a package maintainer for a audio or
multimedia packages. I focus mainly on Debian and derivatives, but I can
imagine other projects for Fedora and OpenSuse for instance, also could
use some package maintainers.
I say
'one artist, one package' ;)
or
'one linux audio user, one audio package' ;)
\r
I think you are missing my point. I am not
proposing to start a replica
of
the Debian Multimedia initiative under the
auspices of linuxaudio.org.
Rather, I am proposing that their efforts are somehow integrated into
linuxaudio.org online resources, whether that be via a webpage that
provides
additional info on the initiative, mirroring of packages, dev mailing
list,
etc.
Ultimately, the goal is to minimize fragmentation of supporting
information
and therefore improve ability to cross-pollinate
latest findings (e.g.
troubleshooting particular rt-kernel release, compile issues on certain
platforms, etc.), minimize redundancy, improve cross-distro transparency.
Hey Ico,
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you mean. While I would
encourage the people from the Debian Multimedia Team to subscribe to a list
like linux-audio-tuning to discuss tuning issues and grab ideas from here,
I don't see how we could provide mirroring or any kind of services like
this (we have limited resources), and even if we could, I don't see why
*we* should do it.
If I understood the original mail correctly, this initiative is meant to be
integrated to *Debian*, and is meant to make the *Debian* distro better,
because it is *Debian* which has issues with linux-audio. Why should
linux-audio chime in ?
12:11 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:42:14 +0100, Grammostola Rosea
<rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I say
'one artist, one package' ;)
or
'one linux audio user, one audio package' ;)
Well, I'd say
'Maybe in another world'
But on this planet, for a user or, hehehe, even better, an artist, typing
just one command line is beyond reality. So, generating a package ?... Come
on :D
The only artists I know who would probably not be bothered are PD artists.
And, please, let's all admit that this is a very specific niche kind of
artists.
Marc-Olivier Barre.
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12:04 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
Hey Ico,
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you mean. While I would
encourage the people from the Debian Multimedia Team to subscribe to a
list
like linux-audio-tuning to discuss tuning issues and grab ideas from here,
I don't see how we could provide mirroring or any kind of services like
this (we have limited resources), and even if we could, I don't see why
*we* should do it.
If I understood the original mail correctly, this initiative is meant to
be
integrated to *Debian*, and is meant to make the *Debian* distro better,
because it is *Debian* which has issues with linux-audio. Why should
linux-audio chime in ?
Because this is an opportunity to extend distro transparency and ultimately
allow developers to spend more time on developing rather than dealing with
differences between distros.
Besides, we already mirror UbuntuStudio, JACKlab, and 64Studio, so why
shouldn't we also encourage Debian Multimedia to join the consortium and in
turn allow them to use whatever resources we may have.
All that being said, I do agree with you that we have limited resources, and
in part I am hoping that through these kinds of initiatives we could bring
in more contributors to the core Linuxaudio.org services.
Ico
12:23 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:04:02 -0400, "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <ico(a)vt.edu> wrote:
ultimately
Hey Ico,
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you mean. While I would
encourage the people from the Debian Multimedia Team to subscribe to a
list
like linux-audio-tuning to discuss tuning issues and grab ideas from
here,
I don't see how we could provide mirroring or any kind of services like
this (we have limited resources), and even if we could, I don't see why
*we* should do it.
If I understood the original mail correctly, this initiative is meant to
be
integrated to *Debian*, and is meant to make the *Debian* distro better,
because it is *Debian* which has issues with linux-audio. Why should
linux-audio chime in ?
Because this is an opportunity to extend distro transparency and allow developers to spend more time on developing
rather than dealing
with
differences between distros.
hmm, ok. I'll give you this one.
Besides, we already mirror UbuntuStudio, JACKlab, and
64Studio, so why
shouldn't we also encourage Debian Multimedia to join the consortium and
in
turn allow them to use whatever resources we may have.
I might have misunderstood something. Is Debian Multimedia a full featured
distro like 64studio or UbuntoStudio or an effort to make debian look
better regarding audio packages ?
My point was : if Debian Multimedia is just an effort to make things better
looking on the audio/multimedia side, then it has more to do with the
"Debian packages and process" group of people than with the linuxaudio
people.
Marc-Olivier Barre.
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12:29 p.m.
New subject: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
My point was : if Debian Multimedia is just an effort
to make things
better
looking on the audio/multimedia side, then it has more to do with the
"Debian packages and process" group of people than with the linuxaudio
people.
I guess this part is for Debian folks to answer. Even if multimedia part
cannot be treated as a separate entity, perhaps having Debian as a whole a
member of Linuxaudio.org would not be a bad idea. After all, we do have
Canonical/Ubuntu and Mandriva on board already.
Ico
1 Apr
1 Apr
7:01 a.m.
New subject: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
So far so good. Ardour hits testing finally, a RT kernel wishlist bug
with patch is filed, people are working on LV2 etc.
Here you can find more information about maintaining multimedia packages
for Debian/ Ubuntu and joining the Debian Multimedia Team and/ or the
Ubuntu MOTUMedia team.
http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=817
I suggest add a 'chapter' in the wiki of linuxaudio.org with information
about maintaining packages. The information about Debian/Ubuntu you can
find in my link. But I can imagine that also other distro's like to
write down some information about maintaining multimedia packages, cause
it would be nice if we could improve GNU/ Linux audio by getting more
packages into the different distro's.
Please take some action here.
Kind regards,
\r
Hey Ico,
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you mean. While I would
encourage the people from the Debian Multimedia Team to subscribe to a
list
like linux-audio-tuning to discuss tuning issues and grab ideas from here,
I don't see how we could provide mirroring or any kind of services like
this (we have limited resources), and even if we could, I don't see why
*we* should do it.
If I understood the original mail correctly, this initiative is meant to
be
integrated to *Debian*, and is meant to make the *Debian* distro better,
because it is *Debian* which has issues with linux-audio. Why should
linux-audio chime in ?
Because this is an opportunity to extend distro transparency and ultimately
allow developers to spend more time on developing rather than dealing with
differences between distros.
Besides, we already mirror UbuntuStudio, JACKlab, and 64Studio, so why
shouldn't we also encourage Debian Multimedia to join the consortium and in
turn allow them to use whatever resources we may have.
All that being said, I do agree with you that we have limited resources, and
in part I am hoping that through these kinds of initiatives we could bring
in more contributors to the core Linuxaudio.org services.
8:13 a.m.
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Grammostola Rosea wrote:
I suggest add a 'chapter' in the wiki of
linuxaudio.org with information
about maintaining packages. The information about Debian/Ubuntu you can
find in my link. But I can imagine that also other distro's like to
write down some information about maintaining multimedia packages, cause
it would be nice if we could improve GNU/ Linux audio by getting more
packages into the different distro's.
A thought to consider - when I embarked upon creating debian and ubuntu packages of my own
software, I found very little in the way of
guides to assist a developer, the guides are focused on maintaining someone else's
software (often already packaged).
It can't hurt to educate developers on how to assemble packages for their own
software, just making them aware of what's required will lead
to reduced effort to package and the ones who chose to include the debian build files in
the source shift the maintainer effort to quality
control type role (hopefully fed back to the developer to include).
regards,
Fraser
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8:29 a.m.
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Fraser wrote:
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Grammostola Rosea wrote:
That's an good point. Did you see this documentation?
http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html#contents
Maybe this?
http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html
As a package maintainer you can got help from mentors.debian.net and
that mailinglist. I think people can help you too.
There are a lot developers who makes Ubuntu PPA repo's. IMO it would be
better if the package hit Debian and so also Ubuntu. It's better then
having PPA packages all over the place (I know it could be handy to
offer you last release). Maybe it's a good thing to discuss with the
Debian Multimedia Team if it is possible to get your package in
Debian/Ubuntu and how you can deliver packages which could be
implemented in Debian without much efforts. You know also the people of
MOTUMedia in Ubuntu are subscribed to the Debian Multimedia mailinglist
and they work closely together.
Debian Multimedia Packages Maintainers
<pkg-multimedia-maintainers(a)lists.alioth.debian.org>
AFAIK it's an open list, so send an message (and CC it to yourself).
Success
\r
I suggest add a 'chapter' in the wiki of
linuxaudio.org with information
about maintaining packages. The information about Debian/Ubuntu you can
find in my link. But I can imagine that also other distro's like to
write down some information about maintaining multimedia packages, cause
it would be nice if we could improve GNU/ Linux audio by getting more
packages into the different distro's.
A thought to consider - when I embarked upon creating debian and ubuntu packages of my
own software, I found very little in the way of
guides to assist a developer, the guides are focused on maintaining someone else's
software (often already packaged).
It can't hurt to educate developers on how to assemble packages for their own
software, just making them aware of what's required will lead
to reduced effort to package and the ones who chose to include the debian build files in
the source shift the maintainer effort to quality
control type role (hopefully fed back to the developer to include).
8:33 a.m.
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Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Fraser wrote:
Changed the title, cause it's an important discussion opened by Fraser imo.
\r
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Grammostola Rosea wrote:
That's an good point. Did you see this documentation?
http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html#contents
Maybe this?
http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html
As a package maintainer you can got help from mentors.debian.net and
that mailinglist. I think people can help you too.
There are a lot developers who makes Ubuntu PPA repo's. IMO it would
be better if the package hit Debian and so also Ubuntu. It's better
then having PPA packages all over the place (I know it could be handy
to offer you last release). Maybe it's a good thing to discuss with
the Debian Multimedia Team if it is possible to get your package in
Debian/Ubuntu and how you can deliver packages which could be
implemented in Debian without much efforts. You know also the people
of MOTUMedia in Ubuntu are subscribed to the Debian Multimedia
mailinglist and they work closely together.
Debian Multimedia Packages Maintainers
<pkg-multimedia-maintainers(a)lists.alioth.debian.org>
AFAIK it's an open list, so send an message (and CC it to yourself).
I suggest add a 'chapter' in the wiki of
linuxaudio.org with
information about maintaining packages. The information about
Debian/Ubuntu you can find in my link. But I can imagine that also
other distro's like to write down some information about maintaining
multimedia packages, cause it would be nice if we could improve GNU/
Linux audio by getting more packages into the different distro's.
A thought to consider - when I embarked upon creating debian and
ubuntu packages of my own software, I found very little in the way of
guides to assist a developer, the guides are focused on maintaining
someone else's software (often already packaged).
It can't hurt to educate developers on how to assemble packages for
their own software, just making them aware of what's required will lead
to reduced effort to package and the ones who chose to include the
debian build files in the source shift the maintainer effort to quality
control type role (hopefully fed back to the developer to include).
10:34 a.m.
New subject: Build and get your package in Debian/ Ubuntu (was Re: [LAU] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio))
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Changed
the title, cause it's an important discussion opened by Fraser imo.
\r
I think it is, too. I've maintained a few Debain packages in the past
(don't have time at the moment), so I can weigh in.
The documentation is out there, but unless you're an aspiring debian
maintainer it's not easy to find nor very accessible. It's a pity,
because there are a few things you can do as an upstream author to make
debian packaging really simple, and it's not rocket science.
I'm going from memory here, but I think these are the most important
things you can do:
1. Make it easy to install to an arbitrary location, a la --prefix with
autotools.
2. Put stuff in the right places under that prefix (see the FHS or
section 9.1 of the Debian policy manual).
3. Documentation - especially man pages which are required for all
binaries (even if they just refer to online documentation or info
pages). This requirement is often skipped for Ubuntu-only packages which
makes me as a user sad. It's also very helpful (for maintainers and
users alike) if you give a list of dependencies in your README.
4. Use a sane versioning scheme - one that monotonically increases and
has the most significant parts first and doesn't use funky characters.
So, if you base it on a date, 2009-04-01 or 20090401, not 1/4/2009. See
section 5.6.12 of the debian policy manual.
It can also be especially convenient if you use a distributed version
control system, esp. git, but a good maintainer should be able to work
with tarballs or whatever system you use. Encourage the debian
maintainer to pass along patches or bugs and not keep them to himself,
and consider keeping the debian/ directory in upstream (in ideal cases
everything needed for debian packetization is there in debian/ - out of
the way of non-debian users - and none of your sources need to be patched)
Hope that helps.
1. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
2. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
3. http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
--
Hans Fugal ; http://hans.fugal.net
There's nothing remarkable about it. All one has to do is hit the
right keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself.
-- Johann Sebastian Bach
10:53 a.m.
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Hans Fugal wrote:
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Yeah an manpage is required. You can use the app gmanedit
for example to
create one.
Changed the title, cause it's an important
discussion opened by Fraser imo.
\r
I think it is, too. I've maintained a few Debain packages in the past
(don't have time at the moment), so I can weigh in.
The documentation is out there, but unless you're an aspiring debian
maintainer it's not easy to find nor very accessible. It's a pity,
because there are a few things you can do as an upstream author to make
debian packaging really simple, and it's not rocket science.
I'm going from memory here, but I think these are the most important
things you can do:
1. Make it easy to install to an arbitrary location, a la --prefix with
autotools.
2. Put stuff in the right places under that prefix (see the FHS or
section 9.1 of the Debian policy manual).
3. Documentation - especially man pages which are required for all
binaries (even if they just refer to online documentation or info
pages). This requirement is often skipped for Ubuntu-only packages which
makes me as a user sad. It's also very helpful (for maintainers and
users alike) if you give a list of dependencies in your README.
4. Use a sane versioning scheme - one that monotonically increases and
has the most significant parts first and doesn't use funky characters.
So, if you base it on a date, 2009-04-01 or 20090401, not 1/4/2009. See
section 5.6.12 of the debian policy manual.
It can also be especially convenient if you use a distributed version
control system, esp. git,
yeah the Debian Multimedia Team uses git, so this is
highly preferable imho.
but a good maintainer should be able to work
with tarballs or whatever system you use. Encourage the debian
maintainer to pass along patches or bugs and not keep them to himself,
and consider keeping the debian/ directory in upstream (in ideal cases
everything needed for debian packetization is there in debian/ - out of
the way of non-debian users - and none of your sources need to be patched)
Hope that helps.
1. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
2. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
3. http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
Also I got the advise:
/Upstream should switch to autotools or something that does DESTDIR out
of the box.
(|automake(1)| and/or |autoconf(1) |related issue?)/
see: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-modify.en.html
Another quote:
/I don't see a difference between adding a (well maintained) debian/
directory to someone else's software or to my own, i.e. if you know how
to make Debian packages out of sources for package foobar, you are also
able to prepare the packaging for the softeware you wrote yourself. Why
should this be documented separately? /
Also a clear describtions about the AUTHORS of the app and COPYING
(copyright of the app and maybe other files etc it uses which are
copyright by other authors, is very important.
\r
11:59 a.m.
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Grammostola Rosea wrote:
There are a lot developers who makes Ubuntu PPA
repo's.
*cough* yes I'm one :)
IMO it would be
better if the package hit Debian and so also Ubuntu. It's better then
having PPA packages all over the place (I know it could be handy to
offer you last release).
Agreed.
I think the PPA has a place, it's a great way to learn packaging / patching etc and
also to provide development packages (packages are much
neater that source tarballs).
Maybe it's a good thing to discuss with the
Debian Multimedia Team if it is possible to get your package in
Debian/Ubuntu and how you can deliver packages which could be
implemented in Debian without much efforts. You know also the people of
MOTUMedia in Ubuntu are subscribed to the Debian Multimedia mailinglist
and they work closely together.
Sure, I'll do that.
regards,
Fraser
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4:58 p.m.
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Fraser <fraser(a)arkhostings.com> writes:
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
TBH, I don't think upstream should be bugged to provide proper
packaging. I think both users and packagers benefit much more from
a proper (and flexible) build system.
I suggest add a 'chapter' in the wiki of
linuxaudio.org with
information about maintaining packages. The information about
Debian/Ubuntu you can find in my link. But I can imagine that also
other distro's like to write down some information about maintaining
multimedia packages, cause it would be nice if we could improve GNU/
Linux audio by getting more packages into the different distro's.
A thought to consider - when I embarked upon creating debian and ubuntu
packages of my own software, I found very little in the way of guides to
assist a developer, the guides are focused on maintaining someone else's
software (often already packaged).
It can't hurt to educate developers on how to
assemble packages for
their own software, just making them aware of what's required will lead
to reduced effort to package and the ones who chose to include the
debian build files in the source shift the maintainer effort to quality
control type role (hopefully fed back to the developer to include).
This leads IME to frustration to both upstreams and packagers.
Debianizing a package is intrinsicly a non-trivial tasks which is almost
allways done wrong in the first place. So instead of duplicating the
packaging work, it's IMO better to not have that upstream at all.
FWIW, I even tend to remove the debian/ dirs from upstream tarballs to
make it clear that the package was packaged independent. Worse, there
are technical implications due to the debian source package format,
where leaving the debian/ dir in place can lead to real problems.
--
Gruesse/greetings,
Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4
2:21 p.m.
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Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
So far so good. Ardour hits testing finally, a RT kernel wishlist bug
with patch is filed, people are working on LV2 etc.
Here you can find more information about maintaining multimedia
packages for Debian/ Ubuntu and joining the Debian Multimedia Team
and/ or the Ubuntu MOTUMedia team.
http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=817
I suggest add a 'chapter' in the wiki of linuxaudio.org with
information about maintaining packages. The information about
Debian/Ubuntu you can find in my link. But I can imagine that also
other distro's like to write down some information about maintaining
multimedia packages, cause it would be nice if we could improve GNU/
Linux audio by getting more packages into the different distro's.
Please take some action here.
There is an Ubuntu package day tomorrow:
Maybe a good start to learn to build Debian/Ubuntu packages and maintain
audio packages for Debian Multimedia Team ;)
/Hello everybody,
the Ubuntu Developer Community is proud to announce the following new
initiative to help YOU find your way into developing Ubuntu.
Thursday is from now on Packaging Training day. We'll have regular
one-hour sessions in #ubuntu-classroom on irc.freenode.net where we'll
have speakers who present a packaging technique and leave enough time
for all packaging related questions you might have.
For those of you who are not familiar enough with the English language,
we'll have people in #ubuntu-classroom-{de,es,...} who will help to
translate your questions.
We will rotate session times to make sure the sessions work for all
timezones. We'll follow a 1st Thursday 6:00 UTC, 2nd Thursday 12:00 UTC,
3rd Thursday 18:00 UTC, 4th Thursday 0:00 UTC (5th Thursday 6:00 UTC)
pattern. For the first month April, we're proud to announce the
following sessions:
* 2nd April, 06:00 UTC: Daniel Holbach, Fixing an Ubuntu bug
* 9th April, 12:00 UTC: James Westby, bzr builddeb –in-15-minutes
* 16th April, 18:00 UTC: Didier Roche, How-to update a package
* 23rd April, 00:00 UTC: <Tutor>, TBA
* 30th April, 06:00 UTC: Daniel Holbach, Getting Started with Ubuntu
Development
If you want to give a session, request a session, help out as a
translator, share your comments, help with the organisation or anything
else, please head over to
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training
and let us know.
These sessions are going to be what we make of them, so let's make the
most out of them! Rock on everybody and see you on Thursday! :-)/
Hey Ico,
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what you mean. While I would
encourage the people from the Debian Multimedia Team to subscribe to a
list
like linux-audio-tuning to discuss tuning issues and grab ideas from
here,
I don't see how we could provide mirroring or any kind of services like
this (we have limited resources), and even if we could, I don't see why
*we* should do it.
If I understood the original mail correctly, this initiative is
meant to
be
integrated to *Debian*, and is meant to make the *Debian* distro
better,
because it is *Debian* which has issues with linux-audio. Why should
linux-audio chime in ?
Because this is an opportunity to extend distro transparency and
ultimately
allow developers to spend more time on developing rather than dealing
with
differences between distros.
Besides, we already mirror UbuntuStudio, JACKlab, and 64Studio, so why
shouldn't we also encourage Debian Multimedia to join the consortium
and in
turn allow them to use whatever resources we may have.
All that being said, I do agree with you that we have limited
resources, and
in part I am hoping that through these kinds of initiatives we could
bring
in more contributors to the core Linuxaudio.org services.
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