I forked Specimen into Petri-Foo. Trouble is, I don't recall which version! I have a Specimen SVN from the Arch User Repository (AUR) Specimen SVN from zhevny.com And of course, Petri-Foo which doesn't seem to bear exactness to either of these (that is the parts of Petri-Foo which I haven't yet altered). This makes giving patches back kinda difficult. The version of Specimen I have installed system wide (who knows where it is from?) has spin buttons in the sample-editor for editing the sample play/loop positions explicitly. The version of Specimen that I forked Petri-Foo from did not (have the spin buttons) so I copied them from (??? the specimen-build sub-dir obtained via the AUR ??? ru sure?? ??). The version of Specimen - r89 - from zhevny.com doesn't have the spin buttons - unless it's in a "secret" branch which isn't default (i don't have a clue how to 'browse' these things). Consequently I have various diffs which maybe you can make sense of. By some magic manipulation, you'll find either a) a new feature providing explicit sample play/loop position editing via spin buttons - or - b) a fix for the existing explicit sample play/loop position editing via spin buttons which prevents the loop start/stop positions from being incremented/decremented past the play start/stop positions. Hope it helps someone. If anyone can shed any light on the confusion I'd be grateful, thanks. James. -- _ : http://jwm-art.net/ -audio/image/text/code/