Jens M. Andreasen writes: Find ready to cut and paste suggestion below :-) I know that; if he did, I'd have been pestering him about this once a week, the past four years. This is just my yearly request. FWIW, I'm not doing LilyPond development for a living. I can imagine that. Dave was spot-on in his first listing of LilyPond seven years ago. But we've been working the living daylight out of our lives, the past eight years, and that why I send a yearly please update note. Ok, I suggest this new entry with catchline straight from http://linuxmusician.com, with list of items. Here we go, (html version attached below): [1]GNU LilyPond: One of the best-known and most ambitious music programs for Linux is the LilyPond score engraving system. * makes beautiful prints, seeks to to [2]revive the aesthetics of traditionally engraved music through automated engraving engine * easy to type, text based input * extensive [3]documentation, including [4]tutorial and a [5]glossary of musical terms for non-native English speakers * prompt support by heavy development and active user community * ready to print music scores from the [6]Mutopia Project * import filters: abc2ly, etf2ly (Finale), midi2ly, mup2ly, musedata2ly and [7]xml2ly * supported by the printing engines of [8]NoteEdit, [9]Rosegarden and [10]Denemo * Emacs and VIM editing modes References 1. http://lilypond.org/ 2. http://lilypond.org/web/about/automated-engraving 3. http://lilypond.org/documentation 4. http://lilypond.org/tutorial 5. http://lilypond.org/music-glossary 6. http://www.mutopiaproject.org/ 7. http://www.nongnu.org/xml2ly/ 8. http://rnvs.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/noteedit/noteedit.html 9. http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ 10. http://denemo.sf.net/ Greetings, Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke(a)gnu.org> | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org

Jens M. Andreasen writes: FWIW, I hate to think that the lack of a good suggestion is the bottleneck (if so, I should have made a better one long ago). Maybe I don't understand; do you also do content management for the linux-sound.org site? Please do not `compact' GNU away, esp. as the linux-sound.org page also lists shareware (and currently more favourable at that than LilyPond, btw.). Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke(a)gnu.org> | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien | http://www.lilypond.org

Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Hi Jan, hi Jens, hi everyone: I've updated the LilyPond entry, but I could not use the suggested entries, they're too long (as I suspect you know). But at least now people will see LilyPond's entry quicker and will get a little better idea of what it can do. Jan and Han-wen, my apologies for not getting to this earlier. My only really good excuse is to tell you that in fact you *do* have to keep reminding me if at first I don't change things to your liking. My volume of correspondence is big enough that things do sometimes get lost in the pile. IMO, LilyPond is a 1st-rate application. I'm especially impressed with the research and dedication shown by its developers, and Jan is certainly justfied in asking me to highlight their software a bit more brightly. Peace out, dp

Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Well, it would certainly help if the Linux soundapps pages didn't suck so bad. It's all hand-edited HTML, no dynamic content, no user feedback or other portals, no real assessments of the software, too little information for the entries, et cetera ad nauseam. I have lost count of the number of proposals I've received to upgrade the sites to some more modern format. As Robin Whittle described it, the pages are currently merely a monstrous "link farm", useful to some extent, but hardly state-of-the-useful-art. I have less than zero time to put into upgrading the site, and it is my hope that someday I'll be able to turn the whole thing over to the community to turn it into something more like what the community (myself included) would like to see. Meanwhile, I continue to maintain the pages as a service. The only ad running is the outdated ad for my book, and I have not solicited advertisements (even though I can certainly use the income). I intended the site to be free of crap, and so it is (excepting some crappy software). It has been a way for me to give something back to Linux generally, and I'm happy with its success, but it is also truly awful (WRT its format). My only defense is that I'm completely self-taught where this stuff is concerned, I'm a musician by training and inclination, and I have no time to learn even the simplest things about PHP (or Perl or Python or any of sixty other things I'd like to learn). I'm half-way through the 2nd edition of my book (yes, LilyPond will receive due diligence in it ;), I have remaining obligations to AGNULA, I continue to write occasionally for Linux Journal, and I have an active teaching and performance schedule. Btw, the mirrors for my site have been provided for free by the service providers. I owe much thanks to Matt Probst, Kenji Yasaka, and Georg Hitsch for their assistance and generosity, which is another reason I've kept the site relatively free of ads. I've passed the savings on to the customers... ;-) Also btw: Jan, you were far from rude, and I appreciate your good humor. You really do have to poke me sometimes to make me move... Finally, a note to all: If you get the chance to see/hear Han-wen do a presentation on LilyPond, be sure to go. He's a natural at presentations, and he stops at nothing at getting and keeping a crowd (in Metz last year he was literally grabbing strangers in the hallways, telling them that they *must* hear about LilyPond). The presentation itself is most informative and interesting, and I can almost guarantee he'll make a LilyPond convert out of you. Best, dp

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 06:00:48PM +0200, Peter Eschler wrote: FYI, I'm still planning to implement my own proposal which has been discussed quite a lot in the L-A-U archives. I do somewhat similar sites for a living. It just needs me to block out a chunk of time (1 or 2 weekends) to bang it out. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Look! Up in the sky! It's THE KILLER MACHINE! (random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com)

On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 18:29, Paul Winkler wrote: Hi Paul, I'd like to assist so I've written a little script to automatically extract all the links from linux-sound.org. It depends on Ruby, wget, lynx and sed. The output is tab separated csv (tsv) containing three fields per row: text, urls and category. Some of the <li>s contain more than one url. For these the urls are separated by blanks ' '. The category is either the title (<h3>) of the subpage or the text which belongs to the list item containing the current (<ul>). The script expects at least one url from linux-sound.org as arguments (one of the subpages). So you'll also need a working internet connection. A '-H' prints an additional csv header. I also attached a bash script to extract all the subpages from linux-sound.org. If you have any problems with this script I can send you all the data off list. HTH, Jan P.S. Follow-up to LAU?

Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: I didn't turn them down. Nothing ever fully developed. No fear. LilyPond's chapter is coming up soon, you'll be hearing from me... :) Best, dp

måndagen den 12 april 2004 14.47 skrev Dave Phillips: If you got the time, please do list the features you miss most. /Robert

Robert! Could you please repost in html table format? It is hard to follow your line of thought. At least to me it looks like all your columns are scrambled? /jens On mån, 2004-04-12 at 15:34, Dave Phillips wrote:

On Tuesday 13 April 2004 02.08, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: For the record, the information was not mine, all credit go to Dave Phillips. But I html-ized it here: http://lmuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Plans hopefully I got it more right than wrong, please report errors. (trying to make sense of it now I think it _must_ be wrong) I think I'd like a repost from the source ;) /Robert

On mån, 2004-04-12 at 14:47, Dave Phillips wrote: Yup! I have it running fullscreen on screen :1. Most of esteem runs "nice", so it does not impact very much on daily bread and butter routines. Mmmm ... Almost like being a young and promising artist again (insert giggles.) Now how dosemu and midi ever got to be good news is beyond me :) /jens

Hi Nick: Take a look at http://linux-sound.org/speech.html now, I've added the SF project link. Thanks for the note ! Best, dp Nick Ing-Simmons wrote: