1 Nov
2003
1 Nov
'03
7:54 p.m.
From here:
http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?fsfeatures_us
"In TRAKTOR FS the Final Scratch System has a high-performance DJ
software that has been specifically optimized for the needs of Final
Scratch users.
System Requirements:
*Runs on standard PCs, operating on Linux OS (all necessary software
included)"
from here:
http://jane.no-ip.com/traktor-debian.html
"This is work in progress but posted for people who wish to get Native
Instruments / Standon Magnetics Final Scratch version of Traktor to work
on their own linux distribution rather than the stripped installation
that they provide on the CD. Please note this may not work for you at
all - and I've tried to be as direct as I can with the documentation -
It's assumed that you've played in a shell before, and have some
familiarity with linux.. "
I'm not a FS user but from reading the page it seems that they are using
Wine to run it under
linux from a self bootable CD.
Anyone got more infos about this ?
(I'd interested if Wine is performant enough etc ....)
from here:
http://djzorro.mynet.it/
"Dear Visitor,
these "patches" (try to) add (a sort of) networking ability to a
GNU/Linux distribution made by Nativ
e Instruments as a OS for their Traktor Final Scratch software. "
For curiousity I downloaded one of the ZIP files.
It unzips to a .tuc and .tup file.
The tup file is a tar.bz2 file so just rename and untar it.
For example in the boot dir you see two kernels:
2.4.22pre1-ni 2.4.22pre1-z
Are these standard kernels, did they use patches or did they write their
own ?
(where are the sources ? are they objeing the GPL license ?)
Comments ?
Benno
http://www.linuxsampler.org
2 Nov
2 Nov
9:41 a.m.
Hi,
Anyone got more infos about this ?
(I'd interested if Wine is performant enough etc ....)
Threading and file access functions are kind of sluggish but overall
behaviour is very good. With some tweaks like direct ALSA & glibc interface
the (worst case) latency and reliability are much better than under MS
Windows.
Are these standard kernels, did they use patches or did
they write their
own ?
No just well known things like LL and Preempt.
(where are the sources ? are they objeing the GPL
license ?)
Sources and GPL license are shipping on the CD. Just tell me what you need
and i'll send it to you.
Best regards,
Florian
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10:08 a.m.
Florian Schirmer wrote:
ok.
No problem I was just asking for curiousity. Nice that you take the GPL
seriously, as you probably know
more and more companies are taking advantage of GPLed apps without
playing by the rules.
See Linksys that did non release the source of the GPLed apps they
tweaked for their wireless routers.
cheers,
Benno
http://www.linuxsampler.org
Hi,
cool.
Anyone got more infos about this ?
(I'd interested if Wine is performant enough etc ....)
Threading and file access functions are kind of sluggish but overall
behaviour is very good. With some tweaks like direct ALSA & glibc interface
the (worst case) latency and reliability are much better than under MS
Windows.
Are these
standard kernels, did they use patches or did they write their
own ?
No just well known things like LL and Preempt.
(where are the
sources ? are they objeing the GPL license ?)
Sources and GPL license are shipping on the CD. Just tell me what you need
and i'll send it to you.
3 Nov
3 Nov
3:07 p.m.
Hallo,
Florian Schirmer hat gesagt: // Florian Schirmer wrote:
Threading and file access functions are kind of
sluggish but overall
behaviour is very good. With some tweaks like direct ALSA & glibc interface
the (worst case) latency and reliability are much better than under MS
Windows.
May I forward this to the german Keyboards magazine? Just kidding. ;)
But maybe you could answer a question I have regarding the Traktor NML
format. Is this in some way protected under some kind of "intellectual
property" of NI? As more and more netlabels like Thinner now also
provide *.nml files for their releases, I intended to write a small Pd
external that parses and makes this information available inside of
Pd. This is easy to do, and I will do it anyway, but I just wonder if
I could distribute the plugin legally and under the GPL.
I mean, the file format is really simple XML, but I'm just a bit
cautious. Maybe overly cautious.
ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
4 Nov
4 Nov
4:39 a.m.
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:06:39 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
But maybe you could answer a question I have regarding
the Traktor NML
format. Is this in some way protected under some kind of "intellectual
property" of NI? As more and more netlabels like Thinner now also
provide *.nml files for their releases, I intended to write a small Pd
external that parses and makes this information available inside of
Pd. This is easy to do, and I will do it anyway, but I just wonder if
I could distribute the plugin legally and under the GPL.
I believe that as you are using the data for interoperability purposes
that you are OK. The DMCA and (now aborted) european thing both allow
that.
- Steve
5:39 a.m.
Hi,
May I forward this to the german Keyboards magazine?
Just kidding. ;)
Don't feed the trolls ;-) Let's wait until we have something which is more
linux'ish to show...
But maybe you could answer a question I have regarding
the Traktor NML
format. Is this in some way protected under some kind of "intellectual
property" of NI? As more and more netlabels like Thinner now also
provide *.nml files for their releases, I intended to write a small Pd
external that parses and makes this information available inside of
Pd. This is easy to do, and I will do it anyway, but I just wonder if
I could distribute the plugin legally and under the GPL.
I mean, the file format is really simple XML, but I'm just a bit
cautious. Maybe overly cautious.
I don't think you'll run into trouble. But let me check back with our legal
department. I'll let you know as soon as possible.
Regards,
Florian
---
-> Florian Schirmer -> Software Developer
-> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS GmbH -> florian.schirmer(a)native-instruments.de
-> Schlesische Straße 28 -> http://www.native-instruments.de
-> D-10997 Berlin -> Tel. +49-30-61 10 35-0
-> Germany -> Fax +49-30-61 10 35-35
----
New:
INTAKT - The most powerful loop sampler ever
=> http://www.ni-intakt.com
NI KOMPLETE - Nine instruments in one gigantic package
=> http://www.ni-komplete.com
>>>>> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS - Generate the
Future of Sound! <<<<<<
5:46 a.m.
Tuesday 04 November 2003 11.38 skrev Florian Schirmer:
Hi,
Aha!
This suggests there IS something more linuxish coming? :)
/Robert
May I forward this to the german Keyboards
magazine? Just kidding. ;)
Don't feed the trolls ;-) Let's wait until we have something which is more
linux'ish to show...
6:42 a.m.
Hi,
Aha!
This suggests there IS something more linuxish coming? :)
This does not imply anything! Let me put it this way: I just dont want to
convince the Keyboard folks with a windows program which runs under linux +
wine. We need something which is available on Windows and/or Mac (so they
easily can compare) and has a good reputation @ Keyboard. If the linux
version will then work slightly better i assume they are convinced once and
forever :-)
Regards,
Florian
---
-> Florian Schirmer -> Software Developer
-> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS GmbH -> florian.schirmer(a)native-instruments.de
-> Schlesische Straße 28 -> http://www.native-instruments.de
-> D-10997 Berlin -> Tel. +49-30-61 10 35-74
-> Germany -> Fax +49-30-61 10 35-35
----
New:
INTAKT - The most powerful loop sampler ever
=> http://www.ni-intakt.com
NI KOMPLETE - Nine instruments in one gigantic package
=> http://www.ni-komplete.com
>>>>> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS - Generate the
Future of Sound! <<<<<<
6:16 a.m.
Hi,
I don't think you'll run into trouble. But let
me check back with our
legal
department. I'll let you know as soon as possible.
Good news: No problems with accessing the files. But please don't use
"Traktor" in your product title. It is pretty fine (and legal) to have in a
feature list or in a readme a statement like "This product can read/write
Traktor NML files", just avaoid to name you product like "Traktor Export
Tool". Is that okay for you?
Regards,
Florian
---
-> Florian Schirmer -> Software Developer
-> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS GmbH -> florian.schirmer(a)native-instruments.de
-> Schlesische Straße 28 -> http://www.native-instruments.de
-> D-10997 Berlin -> Tel. +49-30-61 10 35-0
-> Germany -> Fax +49-30-61 10 35-35
----
New:
INTAKT - The most powerful loop sampler ever
=> http://www.ni-intakt.com
NI KOMPLETE - Nine instruments in one gigantic package
=> http://www.ni-komplete.com
>>>>> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS - Generate the
Future of Sound! <<<<<<
10:24 a.m.
Hallo,
Florian Schirmer hat gesagt: // Florian Schirmer wrote:
Good news: No problems with accessing the files. But
please don't
use "Traktor" in your product title. It is pretty fine (and legal)
to have in a feature list or in a readme a statement like "This
product can read/write Traktor NML files", just avaoid to name you
product like "Traktor Export Tool". Is that okay for you?
Yes, this is good news, and thanks for asking around. I didn't intend
to export to .nml anyway, it's only to be used for importing the
information from the .nml-files into another application (Pd). I'm
also aware of possible trademark issues.
Now thinking about it, I might just as well write a more general
xml-import tool for Pd, that just also could read a Traktor "DTD".
ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
3 Nov
3 Nov
2:10 p.m.
System Requirements:
*Runs on standard PCs, operating on Linux OS (all necessary software
included)"
from here:
http://jane.no-ip.com/traktor-debian.html
totally unbelieveable. these people use linux, but write their app to
use the win32 api. what kind of reality distortion field are they in?
4:59 p.m.
On Monday 03 November 2003 20.09, Paul Davis wrote:
My guess is that the original code was written for Win32 without
portability in mind, and now they're too lazy and/or don't have the
resources to fix it.
If that's not how it happened, maybe learning to use some portable GUI
toolkit looked like too much work or something...? Maybe they didn't
know about Google, and thus failed to find anything useful? ;-)
//David Olofson - Programmer, Composer, Open Source Advocate
.- Audiality -----------------------------------------------.
| Free/Open Source audio engine for games and multimedia. |
| MIDI, modular synthesis, real time effects, scripting,... |
`-----------------------------------> http://audiality.org -'
--- http://olofson.net --- http://www.reologica.se ---
System
Requirements:
*Runs on standard PCs, operating on Linux OS (all necessary
software included)"
from here:
http://jane.no-ip.com/traktor-debian.html
totally unbelieveable. these people use linux, but write their app
to use the win32 api. what kind of reality distortion field are
they in?
4 Nov
4 Nov
4:37 a.m.
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:09:24 -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
There is some kind of wierd history behind it (a FOAF story), I'l try and
dig out the detials, something about wanting to port to windows, but
having to abort IIRC.
- Steve
System
Requirements:
*Runs on standard PCs, operating on Linux OS (all necessary software
included)"
from here:
http://jane.no-ip.com/traktor-debian.html
totally unbelieveable. these people use linux, but write their app to
use the win32 api. what kind of reality distortion field are they in?
5:42 a.m.
Hi,
There is some kind of wierd history behind it (a FOAF
story), I'l try and
dig out the detials, something about wanting to port to windows, but
having to abort IIRC.
Now i'm curious ;-)
Regards,
Florian
---
-> Florian Schirmer -> Software Developer
-> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS GmbH -> florian.schirmer(a)native-instruments.de
-> Schlesische Straße 28 -> http://www.native-instruments.de
-> D-10997 Berlin -> Tel. +49-30-61 10 35-0
-> Germany -> Fax +49-30-61 10 35-35
----
New:
INTAKT - The most powerful loop sampler ever
=> http://www.ni-intakt.com
NI KOMPLETE - Nine instruments in one gigantic package
=> http://www.ni-komplete.com
>>>>> NATIVE INSTRUMENTS - Generate the
Future of Sound! <<<<<<
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