25 Oct
2004
25 Oct
'04
11:55 a.m.
Hi!
I have been thinking about transfering the concept of a
cursor from text editing to MIDI editing.
Since this not specific to any existing sequencer I like
to present my concept here, in hope of feedback and
maybe some project picking it up.
http://wrstud.urz.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum/04-10-25_cursor.png
The red, turned H is the cursor. The row (note) it's on
is always marked/highlighted.
The cursor can be moved with cursor keys or placed by
left clicking (just like a text cursor).
Selection of events happens by rubberbanding per mouse
or by using shift + cursor keys.
New notes can be inserted at the cursor location
by just hitting enter, using a default value or the
grid resolution for the length when nothing was
selected. Or filling the selected area with the new
note (empyt space is treated like whitespace in a
text).
Selected events can be moved with the cursor keys
by holding down Ctrl.
There could be auto-selection of the closest event
when nothing else was selected.
---
Thorsten Wilms
25 Oct
25 Oct
12:28 p.m.
Greetings:
The use of the computer keyboard in Sequencer Plus is the main reason
I keep using it. MusE, RG, and the crop of Windoze MIDI sequencers are
all very nice, but they all presume that my working method will be mouse
& MIDI-keyboard centric. I don't play keyboard worth a damn, and I find
the mouse to be clumsy and inaccurate compared to keyboard control. It
looks as though your project attempts to revive the more extensive use
of the keyboard in a GUI sequencer, is that correct ?
Best,
dp
Thorsten Wilms wrote:
Hi!
I have been thinking about transfering the concept of a
cursor from text editing to MIDI editing.
Since this not specific to any existing sequencer I like
to present my concept here, in hope of feedback and
maybe some project picking it up.
http://wrstud.urz.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka0394/forum/04-10-25_cursor.png
The red, turned H is the cursor. The row (note) it's on
is always marked/highlighted.
The cursor can be moved with cursor keys or placed by
left clicking (just like a text cursor).
Selection of events happens by rubberbanding per mouse
or by using shift + cursor keys.
New notes can be inserted at the cursor location
by just hitting enter, using a default value or the
grid resolution for the length when nothing was
selected. Or filling the selected area with the new
note (empyt space is treated like whitespace in a
text).
Selected events can be moved with the cursor keys
by holding down Ctrl.
There could be auto-selection of the closest event
when nothing else was selected.
---
Thorsten Wilms
12:45 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 11:26:01AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
It
looks as though your project attempts to revive the more extensive use
of the keyboard in a GUI sequencer, is that correct ?
Project is a bit of a big word, it's just this concept now.
And yes. Keyboard control can be so much faster and even
healthier. Of course there should still be complete mouse
support.
---
Thorsten Wilms
12:50 p.m.
On Monday 25 Oct 2004 16:26, Dave Phillips wrote:
The use of the computer keyboard in Sequencer Plus
is the main
reason I keep using it. MusE, RG, and the crop of Windoze MIDI
sequencers are all very nice, but they all presume that my working
method will be mouse & MIDI-keyboard centric.
I won't deny that Rosegarden is mouse-centric, but it does allow you to
type notes from the PC keyboard in different octaves and any available
durations, and select, transpose, cut, copy, paste and delete them etc,
without using the mouse or a MIDI keyboard.
You can't currently do much at the segment editing level from the
keyboard though.
Chris
12:57 p.m.
Hi Chris:
I must emphasize that my working methods are likely to be far less
common that the use of mouse + MIDI keyboard. MusE and RG are excellent
applications, and I'm just an old dog who is recalcitrant about learning
new tricks (at least re: MIDI sequencing). Ten years of using one
sequencer will do that to ya... ;-)
Best regards,
dp
Chris Cannam wrote:
On Monday 25 Oct 2004 16:26, Dave Phillips wrote:
The use of the computer keyboard in Sequencer
Plus is the main
reason I keep using it. MusE, RG, and the crop of Windoze MIDI
sequencers are all very nice, but they all presume that my working
method will be mouse & MIDI-keyboard centric.
I won't deny that Rosegarden is mouse-centric, but it does allow you to
type notes from the PC keyboard in different octaves and any available
durations, and select, transpose, cut, copy, paste and delete them etc,
without using the mouse or a MIDI keyboard.
You can't currently do much at the segment editing level from the
keyboard though.
Chris
3:10 p.m.
mån 2004-10-25 klockan 17.54 skrev Dave Phillips:
Hi Chris:
I must emphasize that my working methods are likely to be far less
common that the use of mouse + MIDI keyboard. MusE and RG are excellent
applications, and I'm just an old dog who is recalcitrant about learning
new tricks (at least re: MIDI sequencing). Ten years of using one
sequencer will do that to ya... ;-)
Best regards,
dp
Hey, MusE has some of the features Thorsten speaks about, too. F.ex.
when opening a part (which you can do by selecting the parts by using
arrow-keys), the first note is selected, and you can move along the
events with the arrows, selecting with shift+arrow, and change pitch w.
ctrl + arrow. Not saying that it's by any means complete, nononon - far
from it, but more will definitely show up in the future.
/Mathias
3:50 p.m.
Hi Mathias:
Alas, I'm still on MusE 0.6.3, the feature isn't implemented in the
piano roll editor. Part selection by arrow key is there and very nice to
use.
Time to upgrade...
Best,
dp
Mathias Lundgren wrote:
mån 2004-10-25 klockan 17.54 skrev Dave Phillips:
Hi Chris:
I must emphasize that my working methods are likely to be far less
common that the use of mouse + MIDI keyboard. MusE and RG are excellent
applications, and I'm just an old dog who is recalcitrant about learning
new tricks (at least re: MIDI sequencing). Ten years of using one
sequencer will do that to ya... ;-)
Best regards,
dp
Hey, MusE has some of the features Thorsten speaks about, too. F.ex.
when opening a part (which you can do by selecting the parts by using
arrow-keys), the first note is selected, and you can move along the
events with the arrows, selecting with shift+arrow, and change pitch w.
ctrl + arrow. Not saying that it's by any means complete, nononon - far
from it, but more will definitely show up in the future.
/Mathias
3:56 p.m.
mån 2004-10-25 klockan 20.47 skrev Dave Phillips:
Hi Mathias:
Alas, I'm still on MusE 0.6.3, the feature isn't implemented in the
piano roll editor. Part selection by arrow key is there and very nice to
use.
Time to upgrade...
The inevitable swamp of upgrades and their dependencies... Yikes! ;-)
Yes, I think it's there from 0.7, which, when talking about keyboard
shortcuts, also has a keyboard shortcut configurator.
/Mathias
27 Oct
27 Oct
6:53 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 11:26:01AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
Greetings:
The use of the computer keyboard in Sequencer Plus is the main reason
I keep using it. MusE, RG, and the crop of Windoze MIDI sequencers are
all very nice, but they all presume that my working method will be mouse
& MIDI-keyboard centric. I don't play keyboard worth a damn, and I find
the mouse to be clumsy and inaccurate compared to keyboard control. It
looks as though your project attempts to revive the more extensive use
of the keyboard in a GUI sequencer, is that correct ?
not a midi sequencer, but denemo has this.
the best interface for note input (i think)
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