20 Feb
2006
20 Feb
'06
5:02 p.m.
Pete Bessman:
Well, I'm about to crack open a can of worms, but let me just say that
I'm 100% not interested in starting any debates/fights/riots/states-of-
emergency. All I'm interested in is hearing where people stand and why
--- I don't want to persuade people one way or the other, and I'd like
to ask that everyone restrain themselves when feeling the urge to tell
someone that they're wrong.
<snip>
Well, if you find windows software better suited for your needs, you
should definitely go windows. Music is what we work for, right?
But please, IMO, don't pay for any non-open source software. There are
lots of excellent p2p tools you can use to get the software you need.
Please don't support makers of non-open source software.
20 Feb
20 Feb
5:13 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Free Software vs. Open Source: Where do *you* stand?
"Kjetil S. Matheussen" <kjetil(a)ccrma.stanford.edu> writes:
Pete Bessman:
That's disingenuous in my book. One should put one's money where
one's mouth is and vice versa.
I am myself a developer of free software, and I find it plain
distasteful how few people are willing to volunteer a dime in return
for the freedoms I provide them with. The total amount of donations
in dollars for the software in the last few years amounts to less than
half of the people subscribed to the Freshmeat announcement list
alone, even though the release announcements mention the possibility
of donations.
The idea of free software is to provide users with freedom, not to
starve developers.
If you consider software worth using under its license terms and
conditions, then you should consider reimbursing the authors with part
of the value that the software provides you with. If you don't
consider it worth using, then don't use it.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
Well, I'm about to crack open a can of worms, but let me just say that
I'm 100% not interested in starting any debates/fights/riots/states-of-
emergency. All I'm interested in is hearing where people stand and why
--- I don't want to persuade people one way or the other, and I'd like
to ask that everyone restrain themselves when feeling the urge to tell
someone that they're wrong.
<snip>
Well, if you find windows software better suited for your needs, you
should definitely go windows. Music is what we work for, right? But
please, IMO, don't pay for any non-open source software. There are
lots of excellent p2p tools you can use to get the software you
need. Please don't support makers of non-open source software. 
5:16 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: Free Software vs. Open Source: Where do *you* stand?
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 13:01 -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:
But please, IMO, don't pay for any non-open source
software. There are
lots of excellent p2p tools you can use to get the software you need.
Please don't support makers of non-open source software.
What?!?!? Are you serious? This is terrible advice. Just because we
don't like their business model does not give us the right to steal from
them.
How can we expect people to abide by the GPL if we don't respect their
licensing terms? Stealing proprietary software is exactly as immoral as
proprietary vendors ripping off GPL'ed code.
Lee
21 Feb
21 Feb
3:06 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: Free Software vs. Open Source: Where do *you* stand?
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 16:16 -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 13:01 -0800, Kjetil S.
Matheussen wrote:
Second that! Be ethical in whatever you do. I also have to say
that if you can't find an open source package that does what you need
and there is a proprietary one that does, then buy it. Programmers have
to eat too ;-)
--
Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner
The Fuzzy Dice
http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html
"As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be
glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and
this we should do freely and generously."
Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of
Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744
But please, IMO, don't pay for any non-open
source software. There are
lots of excellent p2p tools you can use to get the software you need.
Please don't support makers of non-open source software.
What?!?!? Are you serious? This is terrible advice. Just because we
don't like their business model does not give us the right to steal from
them.
How can we expect people to abide by the GPL if we don't respect their
licensing terms? Stealing proprietary software is exactly as immoral as
proprietary vendors ripping off GPL'ed code.
20 Feb
20 Feb
5:21 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Free Software vs. Open Source: Where do *you* stand?
On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 01:01:48PM -0800, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:
<snip>
Well, if you find windows software better suited for your needs, you
should definitely go windows. Music is what we work for, right?
But please, IMO, don't pay for any non-open source software. There are
lots of excellent p2p tools you can use to get the software you need.
Please don't support makers of non-open source software.
Whow, this is by far the single most stupid post I've read in
my 4+ years on this mailing list! Way to go, Kjetil!
Christian Henz
5:32 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Free Software vs. Open Source: Where do *you* stand?
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 22:18 +0100, Christian Henz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 01:01:48PM -0800, Kjetil S.
Matheussen wrote:
I think we just got trolled.
Lee
<snip>
Well, if you find windows software better suited for your needs, you
should definitely go windows. Music is what we work for, right?
But please, IMO, don't pay for any non-open source software. There are
lots of excellent p2p tools you can use to get the software you need.
Please don't support makers of non-open source software.
Whow, this is by far the single most stupid post I've read in
my 4+ years on this mailing list! Way to go, Kjetil! 
5:31 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Free Software vs. Open Source: Where do *you* stand?
Well, if you find windows software better suited for your needs, you should definitely go
windows. Music is what we work for, right?
But please, IMO, don't pay for any non-open source software. There are lots of
excellent p2p tools you can use to get the software you need. Please don't support
makers of non-open source software.
Staying out of the debate except for this...
NO!
One of the main drawing points to those in Audio at the moment to Open
Source is that it IS an alternative to EXACTLY this. Why would we want
to encourage people to go out and be immoral and not respect things?
Not only that but it also gives legitimate uses of P2P a bad name, as if
they dont have enough of one already. BitTorrent is a prime example of
this.
Not only are you screwing the reputation of the Open Source Movement by
saying this, you are also screwing people that did pay to develop that
software, whether or not we agree with it, and screwing P2P software,
and a fair amount of other things, giving fuel to the DRM fire is not
the least of which IMO.
BAD IDEA.
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