8 Jun
2004
8 Jun
'04
4:05 p.m.
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:55 , Marek Peteraj <marpet(a)naex.sk> sent:
It all depends on how you perceive different controls
(different knobs
in different sections etc) and how you learn ot perceive them, i.e. how
you get to know them and how you get used to them.
Aaaaaarrrrrggghhhh - knobs. One of my pet peeves. Knobs make absolutely no
sense in a GUI. There is no easy (or standard) way to control them. Note that
there are no knobs in JAMin. The parametric controls aren't even knobs. I think
this was the point he was making. Take a look at T-RackS. Lovely knobs and
litle glowing tube pictures - how lovely. But a major PITA to use. Trying to
make GUIs that look like some metal box is counterproductive. Just make the
thing work efficiently.
Virtual 3d guis copy the real world. Try to do it the other way around,
with widget sliders and one color for both sliders and background(most
cases). Imagine a hw which would look like that.
Why would I want to imagine hardware - we are talking about software aren't we?
Another such case is animations in UI. They improve
usability aswell.
If carefully adjusted, they help to prevent sudden changes in the UI.
Animations are not just eye-candy.
Sometimes. Rarely. Usually they are just a way to sell a product.
Jan
8 Jun
8 Jun
4:24 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] Is ladspa actually la-dsp-a? Is JACK the ultimate solution?
Hallo,
eviltwin69(a)cableone.net hat gesagt: // eviltwin69(a)cableone.net wrote:
Aaaaaarrrrrggghhhh - knobs. One of my pet peeves.
Knobs make absolutely no
sense in a GUI. There is no easy (or standard) way to control them. Note that
there are no knobs in JAMin. The parametric controls aren't even knobs. I think
this was the point he was making.
I actually wrote a knob GUI element for Pd, which normally only has
sliders. I see one good application for knobs: Visualizing things that
must not take up much screen space. Visualizing things like a clock
won't work with sliders. And if you make a knob settable by vertical
movement it's not that bad. But I agree, generally sliders are much
better to use.
Ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
4:55 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] Is ladspa actually la-dsp-a? Is JACK the ultimate solution?
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 7:16 pm, Frank Barknecht wrote:
They also have the advantage of a more obvious centre position than a
slider, I believe they can be significantly quicker to read, although
not to edit, and they can be placed in meaningful groups more easily.
I think they're a much better GUI element than people give them
credit for.
The problem is knowing when to use them. Rosegarden uses knobs for
all LADSPA port controls, and the results are not very satisfactory.
Jack-rack uses sliders for all LADSPA port controls, and IMHO the
results there are not satisfactory either, although they are
generally better. The ideal would be a mixture but I don't think the
host can reliably tell which should be which. I imagine the real
value of a custom GUI is in contextual and organisational details
like that. (Although I do think flashy graphics can be nice too.)
Chris
eviltwin69(a)cableone.net hat gesagt: //
eviltwin69(a)cableone.net
wrote:
Aaaaaarrrrrggghhhh - knobs. One of my pet peeves.
I actually wrote a knob GUI element for Pd, which normally only has
sliders. I see one good application for knobs: Visualizing things
that must not take up much screen space. 
9 Jun
9 Jun
7:15 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] Is ladspa actually la-dsp-a? Is JACK the ultimate solution?
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:03:10 +0100, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 7:16 pm, Frank Barknecht
wrote:
They also have the advantage of a more obvious centre position than a
slider, I believe they can be significantly quicker to read, although
not to edit, and they can be placed in meaningful groups more easily.
I think they're a much better GUI element than people give them
credit for.
Agreed, or can be. The exat implementation can make a great deal of
difference to the usability. One of the nice features is that you can set
controls more accuratly that sliders without using vast ammounts of screen
realestate.
eviltwin69(a)cableone.net hat gesagt: //
eviltwin69(a)cableone.net
wrote:
Aaaaaarrrrrggghhhh - knobs. One of my pet peeves.
I actually wrote a knob GUI element for Pd, which normally only has
sliders. I see one good application for knobs: Visualizing things
that must not take up much screen space. The problem is knowing when to use them. Rosegarden
uses knobs for
all LADSPA port controls, and the results are not very satisfactory.
Jack-rack uses sliders for all LADSPA port controls, and IMHO the
results there are not satisfactory either, although they are
generally better. The ideal would be a mixture but I don't think the
host can reliably tell which should be which. I imagine the real
value of a custom GUI is in contextual and organisational details
like that. (Although I do think flashy graphics can be nice too.)
My guess is that, often, knobs are better for LOG scaled things and
sliders btter for linear. Just a rule of thumb though.
- Steve
10 Jun
10 Jun
5:15 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] Is ladspa actually la-dsp-a? Is JACK the ultimate solution?
eviltwin69(a)cableone.net wrote:
Aaaaaarrrrrggghhhh - knobs. One of my pet peeves.
Knobs make absolutely no
sense in a GUI. There is no easy (or standard) way to control them. Note that
there are no knobs in JAMin. The parametric controls aren't even knobs. I think
this was the point he was making. Take a look at T-RackS. Lovely knobs and
litle glowing tube pictures - how lovely. But a major PITA to use. Trying to
make GUIs that look like some metal box is counterproductive. Just make the
thing work efficiently.
Two words: mouse wheel. I cannot *believe* this has not come up yet.
Lee
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