21 Jul
2003
21 Jul
'03
4:50 p.m.
hello everyone!
if you are thinking about testing the new 2.6-pre kernels (which would
be helpful to shake out problems with typical audio-workloads that might
not get tested by others), here are two links worth a read (found on
lwn.net):
* the 2.5 "what to expect" document by dave jones:
http://lwn.net/Articles/39901/
* the wonderful world of linux 2.6 by joe pranevich
http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html
best,
jörn
--
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from
the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
political independence of any state, or in any other manner
inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
-- Charter of the United Nations, Article 2.4
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany
http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server)
http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
22 Jul
22 Jul
8:59 a.m.
Hi!
I've been doing some early 2.5 tests, but as I'm running RH8 with the Planet
on top of it there seem to be some problems actually building a 2.5 kernel
(the linked texts here mention optimization problems with the default
RH-shipped gcc as one). So far I haven't been able to boot the 2.5 kernels
properly (yes I have the console working, and the new modutils). Is there
anything like a FAQ somewhere as how to actually build a kernel that would
play nicely with a stock RH8 system including Planet CCRMA on top, or do I
have to redo everything from scratch?
/Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joern Nettingsmeier" <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>
To: <linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu>du>; "ALSA development"
<alsa-devel(a)alsa-project.org>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:36 PM
Subject: [linux-audio-dev] some interesting docs for 2.6 testers...
hello everyone!
if you are thinking about testing the new 2.6-pre kernels (which would
be helpful to shake out problems with typical audio-workloads that might
not get tested by others), here are two links worth a read (found on
lwn.net):
* the 2.5 "what to expect" document by dave jones:
http://lwn.net/Articles/39901/
* the wonderful world of linux 2.6 by joe pranevich
http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html
best,
jörn
--
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from
the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
political independence of any state, or in any other manner
inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
-- Charter of the United Nations, Article 2.4
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany
http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server)
http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
23 Jul
23 Jul
6:01 a.m.
Werner Johansson wrote:
Hi!
I've been doing some early 2.5 tests, but as I'm running RH8 with the Planet
on top of it there seem to be some problems actually building a 2.5 kernel
(the linked texts here mention optimization problems with the default
RH-shipped gcc as one). So far I haven't been able to boot the 2.5 kernels
properly (yes I have the console working, and the new modutils). Is there
anything like a FAQ somewhere as how to actually build a kernel that would
play nicely with a stock RH8 system including Planet CCRMA on top, or do I
have to redo everything from scratch?
first of all, you should refer to Documentation/Changes in the kernel
source tree and make sure all your userspace tools are up to date (the
most critical being the modutils).
then you could look at the .config file for the redhat kernel and mimick
the configuration for 2.5 (where applicable). expect some things to
break, though. i usually only do it to the point where the system works
for me and ignore any further boot-time error messages from init scripts
that miss some modules etc.
disabling hardware scanning seems to help a lot - when i tried the new
kernel on my powerbook running yellowdog, i had to disable kudzu (the
hardware scanning tool).
/Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joern Nettingsmeier" <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>
To: <linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu>du>; "ALSA development"
<alsa-devel(a)alsa-project.org>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:36 PM
Subject: [linux-audio-dev] some interesting docs for 2.6 testers...
--
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from
the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
political independence of any state, or in any other manner
inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
-- Charter of the United Nations, Article 2.4
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany
http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server)
http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
hello everyone!
if you are thinking about testing the new 2.6-pre kernels (which would
be helpful to shake out problems with typical audio-workloads that might
not get tested by others), here are two links worth a read (found on
lwn.net):
* the 2.5 "what to expect" document by dave jones:
http://lwn.net/Articles/39901/
* the wonderful world of linux 2.6 by joe pranevich
http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html
best,
jörn
--
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from
the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
political independence of any state, or in any other manner
inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
-- Charter of the United Nations, Article 2.4
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany
http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server)
http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
3:07 p.m.
I'll give it another shot then, disabling the kudzu-probing (using an Emagic
2|6 USB audio interface on the audio box, so no fancy probing necessary)...
Has anyone successfully compiled a recent 2.5 kernel using gcc 3.2-7 (Redhat
8)? I read some warnings about broken kernel optimizations with gcc 3.x -
but that might have been resolved long time ago? I will start digging into
this and see what works, audiowise.
/Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joern Nettingsmeier" <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>
To: <linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] some interesting docs for 2.6 testers...
Werner Johansson wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've been doing some early 2.5 tests, but as I'm running RH8 with the
Planet
> on top of it there seem to be some problems
actually building a 2.5
kernel
> (the linked texts here mention optimization
problems with the default
> RH-shipped gcc as one). So far I haven't been able to boot the 2.5
kernels
> properly (yes I have the console working, and the
new modutils). Is
there
> anything like a FAQ somewhere as how to actually
build a kernel that
would
> play nicely with a stock RH8 system including
Planet CCRMA on top, or do
I
have to redo
everything from scratch?
first of all, you should refer to Documentation/Changes in the kernel
source tree and make sure all your userspace tools are up to date (the
most critical being the modutils).
then you could look at the .config file for the redhat kernel and mimick
the configuration for 2.5 (where applicable). expect some things to
break, though. i usually only do it to the point where the system works
for me and ignore any further boot-time error messages from init scripts
that miss some modules etc.
disabling hardware scanning seems to help a lot - when i tried the new
kernel on my powerbook running yellowdog, i had to disable kudzu (the
hardware scanning tool).
/Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joern Nettingsmeier" <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>
To: <linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu>du>; "ALSA development"
<alsa-devel(a)alsa-project.org>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:36 PM
Subject: [linux-audio-dev] some interesting docs for 2.6 testers...
--
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from
the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
political independence of any state, or in any other manner
inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
-- Charter of the United Nations, Article 2.4
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany
http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server)
http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
hello everyone!
if you are thinking about testing the new 2.6-pre kernels (which would
be helpful to shake out problems with typical audio-workloads that might
not get tested by others), here are two links worth a read (found on
lwn.net):
* the 2.5 "what to expect" document by dave jones:
http://lwn.net/Articles/39901/
* the wonderful world of linux 2.6 by joe pranevich
http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html
best,
jörn
--
All Members shall refrain in their international relations from
the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
political independence of any state, or in any other manner
inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
-- Charter of the United Nations, Article 2.4
Jörn Nettingsmeier
Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany
http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server)
http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
3:33 p.m.
Is anyone seeing problems with SCHED_FIFO thread priority and the new
threading model in the 2.5/2.6 kernel? I read that the mode isn't
supported. But it (or something that works like it) is fundamentally
important to my Linux audio application. My audio thread has gotta have
uninterrupted, top priority scheduling.
There was the start of a thread on this on this mailing list about a
month ago, but I didn't see many follow up messages. Perhaps some of you
who are trying to use the new kernel have some information to share.
Thanks... mo
===================================
Michael Ost, Software Architect
Muse Research, Inc.
most(a)museresearch.com
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 09:54, Werner Johansson wrote:
I'll give it another shot then, disabling the
kudzu-probing (using an Emagic
2|6 USB audio interface on the audio box, so no fancy probing necessary)...
Has anyone successfully compiled a recent 2.5 kernel using gcc 3.2-7 (Redhat
8)? I read some warnings about broken kernel optimizations with gcc 3.x -
but that might have been resolved long time ago? I will start digging into
this and see what works, audiowise.
/Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joern Nettingsmeier" <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>
To: <linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] some interesting docs for 2.6 testers...
Werner Johansson wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've been doing some early 2.5 tests, but as I'm running RH8 with the
Planet
> on top of it there seem to be some problems
actually building a 2.5
kernel
> (the linked texts here mention optimization
problems with the default
> RH-shipped gcc as one). So far I haven't been able to boot the 2.5
kernels
> properly (yes I have the console working,
and the new modutils). Is
there
> anything like a FAQ somewhere as how to
actually build a kernel that
would
> play nicely with a stock RH8 system
including Planet CCRMA on top, or do
I
> > have to redo everything from scratch?
>
> first of all, you should refer to Documentation/Changes in the kernel
> source tree and make sure all your userspace tools are up to date (the
> most critical being the modutils).
> then you could look at the .config file for the redhat kernel and mimick
> the configuration for 2.5 (where applicable). expect some things to
> break, though. i usually only do it to the point where the system works
> for me and ignore any further boot-time error messages from init scripts
> that miss some modules etc.
>
> disabling hardware scanning seems to help a lot - when i tried the new
> kernel on my powerbook running yellowdog, i had to disable kudzu (the
> hardware scanning tool).
>
>
> > /Werner
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joern Nettingsmeier" <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>
> > To: <linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu>du>; "ALSA development"
> > <alsa-devel(a)alsa-project.org>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:36 PM
> > Subject: [linux-audio-dev] some interesting docs for 2.6 testers...
> >
> >
> >
> >>hello everyone!
> >>
> >>if you are thinking about testing the new 2.6-pre kernels (which would
> >>be helpful to shake out problems with typical audio-workloads that might
> >>not get tested by others), here are two links worth a read (found on
> >>lwn.net):
> >>
> >>* the 2.5 "what to expect" document by dave jones:
> >> http://lwn.net/Articles/39901/
> >>
> >>* the wonderful world of linux 2.6 by joe pranevich
> >> http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html
> >>
> >>best,
> >>
> >>jörn
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>All Members shall refrain in their international relations from
> >>the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
> >>political independence of any state, or in any other manner
> >>inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
> >>-- Charter of the United Nations, Article 2.4
> >>
> >>
> >>Jörn Nettingsmeier
> >>Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany
> >>http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server)
> >>http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> All Members shall refrain in their international relations from
> the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
> political independence of any state, or in any other manner
> inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
> -- Charter of the United Nations, Article 2.4
>
>
> Jörn Nettingsmeier
> Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany
> http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server)
> http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
>
>
>
>
> 
24 Jul
24 Jul
10:19 a.m.
New subject: Redhat9/NTPL/SCHED_FIFO (Re: [linux-audio-dev] some interesting docs for 2.6 testers...
This is something I'm wondering about as well. I'm a system administrator
for 8 linux audio workstations, and the university wants us to switch
to redhat 9 (which use ntpl) before the end of the year. If redhat9 doesnt
support SCHED_FIFO, I won't do that, and should tell the university as
soon as possible.
On 23 Jul 2003, Michael Ost wrote:
Is anyone seeing problems with SCHED_FIFO thread
priority and the new
threading model in the 2.5/2.6 kernel? I read that the mode isn't
supported. But it (or something that works like it) is fundamentally
important to my Linux audio application. My audio thread has gotta have
uninterrupted, top priority scheduling.
There was the start of a thread on this on this mailing list about a
month ago, but I didn't see many follow up messages. Perhaps some of you
who are trying to use the new kernel have some information to share.
Thanks... mo
===================================
Michael Ost, Software Architect
Muse Research, Inc.
most(a)museresearch.com
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 09:54, Werner Johansson wrote:
I'll give it another shot then, disabling the
kudzu-probing (using an Emagic
2|6 USB audio interface on the audio box, so no fancy probing necessary)...
Has anyone successfully compiled a recent 2.5 kernel using gcc 3.2-7 (Redhat
8)? I read some warnings about broken kernel optimizations with gcc 3.x -
but that might have been resolved long time ago? I will start digging into
this and see what works, audiowise.
/Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joern Nettingsmeier" <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>
To: <linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] some interesting docs for 2.6 testers...
Werner Johansson wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've been doing some early 2.5 tests, but as I'm running RH8 with the
Planet
> on top of it there seem to be some problems
actually building a 2.5
kernel
> (the linked texts here mention optimization
problems with the default
> RH-shipped gcc as one). So far I haven't been able to boot the 2.5
kernels
> properly (yes I have the console working,
and the new modutils). Is
there
> anything like a FAQ somewhere as how to
actually build a kernel that
would
> play nicely with a stock RH8 system
including Planet CCRMA on top, or do
I
> > have to redo everything from scratch?
>
> first of all, you should refer to Documentation/Changes in the kernel
> source tree and make sure all your userspace tools are up to date (the
> most critical being the modutils).
> then you could look at the .config file for the redhat kernel and mimick
> the configuration for 2.5 (where applicable). expect some things to
> break, though. i usually only do it to the point where the system works
> for me and ignore any further boot-time error messages from init scripts
> that miss some modules etc.
>
> disabling hardware scanning seems to help a lot - when i tried the new
> kernel on my powerbook running yellowdog, i had to disable kudzu (the
> hardware scanning tool).
>
>
> > /Werner
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joern Nettingsmeier" <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de>
> > To: <linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu>du>; "ALSA development"
> > <alsa-devel(a)alsa-project.org>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:36 PM
> > Subject: [linux-audio-dev] some interesting docs for 2.6 testers...
> >
> >
> >
> >>hello everyone!
> >>
> >>if you are thinking about testing the new 2.6-pre kernels (which would
> >>be helpful to shake out problems with typical audio-workloads that might
> >>not get tested by others), here are two links worth a read (found on
> >>lwn.net):
> >>
> >>* the 2.5 "what to expect" document by dave jones:
> >> http://lwn.net/Articles/39901/
> >>
> >>* the wonderful world of linux 2.6 by joe pranevich
> >> http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html
> >>
> >>best,
> >>
> >>jörn
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>All Members shall refrain in their international relations from
> >>the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
> >>political independence of any state, or in any other manner
> >>inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
> >>-- Charter of the United Nations, Article 2.4
> >>
> >>
> >>Jörn Nettingsmeier
> >>Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany
> >>http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server)
> >>http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> All Members shall refrain in their international relations from
> the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or
> political independence of any state, or in any other manner
> inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
> -- Charter of the United Nations, Article 2.4
>
>
> Jörn Nettingsmeier
> Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany
> http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server)
> http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
>
>
>
>
> 
11:10 a.m.
New subject: Redhat9/NTPL/SCHED_FIFO (Re: [linux-audio-dev] some interesting docs for 2.6 testers...
The person to ask would be Fernando from CCRMA, I have an RH9 lowlat
machine, and I haven't noticed any problems, but I cant run that machine
at very low latencies anyway due to soundcard suckiness.
I think I would have noticed if SCHED_FIFO was just ignored.
- Steve
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 02:05:35 +0200, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:
This is something I'm wondering about as well. I'm a system administrator
for 8 linux audio workstations, and the university wants us to switch
to redhat 9 (which use ntpl) before the end of the year. If redhat9 doesnt
support SCHED_FIFO, I won't do that, and should tell the university as
soon as possible.
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