10 Aug
2010
10 Aug
'10
9:55 p.m.
Fons just wrote "as far as i'm concerned, it would be cool to have
some help creating a "hybrid" matrix like i described to bearcat, to
avoid having to run separate ambdecs for tops and subs. the most
important thing would be another gain coefficient to match the subs to
the tops, similar to what you already have to tweak the two
psychoacoustic bands."
gain coefficient....what? I know that makes sense to the lot of you but
not to me. I'd like to fix that.
I love sound and i'm genuinely interested in sound theory, audio
recording, the effects of sound on the body and ambisonics. My problem
is that some of the things said on this list come across as Frontier
Gibberish because though i have the background in it as a hobby i don't
have the training or education (mine is in computer programming not
audio). Reading up on ambisonics lots of it is technical and i'd like
to be able to understand it.
So i want to educate myself. Does anyone have any suggestions for books
or what have you that i could pick up to give me a basic feel for how
all this works, basic accoustic sound theory? Should i pick up a book on
algebra 2 first? (i'm not a math-wiz. I finally passed Algebra 1 on the
2nd try). If i were to look at a college course for what books they
use, what course titles would i be looking for?
I probably won't get to the knowledge level of Fons or Jorn by reading
books an messing around with my equipment, but i'd sure like to try.
For what it's worth English is my first and last language when talking
about reading material.
Thanks folks. I appreciate it.
10 Aug
10 Aug
10:07 p.m.
New subject: You guys don't make nearly enough sense as you should to me :")
Excerpts from Bearcat M. Sandor's message of 2010-08-10 21:55:41 +0200:
Fons just wrote "as far as i'm concerned,
it would be cool to have
some help creating a "hybrid" matrix like i described to bearcat, to
avoid having to run separate ambdecs for tops and subs. the most
important thing would be another gain coefficient to match the subs to
the tops, similar to what you already have to tweak the two
psychoacoustic bands."
gain coefficient....what? I know that makes sense to the lot of you but
not to me. I'd like to fix that.
I love sound and i'm genuinely interested in sound theory, audio
recording, the effects of sound on the body and ambisonics. My problem
is that some of the things said on this list come across as Frontier
Gibberish because though i have the background in it as a hobby i don't
have the training or education (mine is in computer programming not
audio). Reading up on ambisonics lots of it is technical and i'd like
to be able to understand it.
So i want to educate myself. Does anyone have any suggestions for books
or what have you that i could pick up to give me a basic feel for how
all this works, basic accoustic sound theory? Should i pick up a book on
algebra 2 first? (i'm not a math-wiz. I finally passed Algebra 1 on the
2nd try). If i were to look at a college course for what books they
use, what course titles would i be looking for?
I probably won't get to the knowledge level of Fons or Jorn by reading
books an messing around with my equipment, but i'd sure like to try.
For what it's worth English is my first and last language when talking
about reading material.
Thanks folks. I appreciate it.
I really like the writing style of the musimathics books, but take it
with a grain of salt, I'm nowhere near the math heavy parts yet.
http://musimathics.com/
--
Philipp
--
"Wir stehen selbst enttäuscht und sehn betroffen / Den Vorhang zu
und alle Fragen offen." Bertolt Brecht, Der gute Mensch von Sezuan
11 Aug
11 Aug
2:17 a.m.
New subject: You guys don't make nearly enough sense as you should to me :")
On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 22:07 +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
I really like the writing style of the musimathics
books, but take it
with a grain of salt, I'm nowhere near the math heavy parts yet.
http://musimathics.com/
Wow! Those look fantastic. I've read up on some
reviews and i'm very
impressed. Thank you for the reccomendation. Those will be the next
books that i buy!
12:36 p.m.
New subject: You guys don't make nearly enough sense as you should to me :")
Excerpts from "Bearcat M." Şandor's message of 2010-08-11 02:17:10 +0200:
On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 22:07 +0200, Philipp Überbacher
wrote:
But better listen to Fons with regards to Ambisonics, I'm not sure those
books will help you there. A quick look through the subject index shows
no sign of ambisonics.
--
Philipp
--
"Wir stehen selbst enttäuscht und sehn betroffen / Den Vorhang zu
und alle Fragen offen." Bertolt Brecht, Der gute Mensch von Sezuan
I really like the writing style of the
musimathics books, but take it
with a grain of salt, I'm nowhere near the math heavy parts yet.
http://musimathics.com/
Wow! Those look fantastic. I've read up on some
reviews and i'm very
impressed. Thank you for the reccomendation. Those will be the next
books that i buy!
13 Aug
13 Aug
2:23 a.m.
New subject: You guys don't make nearly enough sense as you should to me :")
On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 12:36 +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
Excerpts from "Bearcat M." Şandor's
message of 2010-08-11 02:17:10 +0200:
*nods* I realise that they won't help with amisonics
directly, but i'm
also just interested in the general theory of sound, how it's measured
in audio etc. That stuff should help with my understanding of
ambisonics, in directly i'd think as a side benefit.
Thanks. They are ordered and i should have them next week.
On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 22:07 +0200, Philipp
Überbacher wrote:
But better listen to Fons with regards to Ambisonics, I'm not sure those
books will help you there. A quick look through the subject index shows
no sign of ambisonics. I really like the writing style of the
musimathics books, but take it
with a grain of salt, I'm nowhere near the math heavy parts yet.
http://musimathics.com/
Wow! Those look fantastic. I've read up on some
reviews and i'm very
impressed. Thank you for the reccomendation. Those will be the next
books that i buy! 
10 Aug
10 Aug
11:05 p.m.
New subject: You guys don't make nearly enough sense as you should to me :")
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 01:55:41PM -0600, Bearcat M. Sandor wrote:
Fons just wrote "as far as i'm concerned, it
would be cool to have
some help creating a "hybrid" matrix like i described to bearcat, to
avoid having to run separate ambdecs for tops and subs. the most
important thing would be another gain coefficient to match the subs
to the tops, similar to what you already have to tweak the two
psychoacoustic bands."
Joern wrote that, not me.
gain coefficient....what? I know that makes sense to
the lot of you
but not to me. I'd like to fix that.
This has little or nothing to do with AMB theory.
If you want your subs to work in Ambisonic mode, and the number
of subs is not the same as the nunmber of normal speakers, then
you would normally need to run two decoders, that is two instances
of the Ambdec program, each with its own configuration.
What Joern tried to explain is that if you know a bit of how
Ambdec works and is configured, you can edit the two configuration
files into one and just use one Ambdec. The thing that would be
missing in that case is some easy way to modify the balance between
subs and normal speakers. This is the 'gain coefficient' that Joern
referred to.
W.r.t. AMB theory, there are as far as I know no books about this.
Unless you really want to understand AMB at the mathematical level,
you won't need much acoustic theory, and what you need can be
explained in a fairly intuitive rather than a mathematical way.
There are some web resources about AMB, but some of them I would
not advise you to read. There are two ways to get a good basic
knowledge of AMB. The first: spend some time with one of 'the
experts', and let them explain things to you. Since that is
interactive it will go fast, but you need to find someone who
has the spare time, or who provides this sort of education on a
commercial basis. The second: collect all information you can
find - web resources, papers, whatever, and try to make sense of
it. It will be hard in the beginning. If necessary ask questions.
This will take more time and you'll have to invest a lot of effort,
but it works. It could very well be that some of the most practical
information is to be found in circles of game developers, AMB is
gaining some reputation there.
Ciao,
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