3 Nov
2009
3 Nov
'09
2:22 p.m.
Hi
I think this post is [OT] but also i think is the apropiate audience...
I'am now working on making personalized menus for Musix distro. I try to
do this task using the freedesktop rules, using .desktop files and the
"Categories" field. This is a real problem. All audio Apps put
"AudioVideo"
tag... and all apps apear together on a single menu option... Mixers merged
with synths... with DAWs... with virtual keyboards... Well... when the user
chooses the "multimedia" option of system menu... the submenu have three
columns of apps... Only a little set of apps put more specific tag like
"Midi" or "Synthesis"...
This behavoir can be modified using more "Categories" tags describing
more closely the app... But this cant be done without the agreement of linux
apps developers about a clasification...
I can make a proposal to add some tags?
(Tags about types off apps)
AudioFX -> Effects
DAW
AudioAnalisys
FftAnalisys
AudioFrameworks (like csound or CLAM)
AudioPlayer
Mixer
WaveEditor
ScoreEditor
.
.
(Tags about runtime environment)
Jack
Alsa
Portaudio
.
.
If the developers of audio apps include this tags (or others that can be
discussed here) the wm developers can make a multimedia menu more clear and
compact... I think this is well for all people... And the work is only put
some words in one file of sources.
Well... sorry for my english
Thx in Advance
4 Nov
4 Nov
1:32 a.m.
On November 3, 2009 01:22:30 pm Daniel Vidal wrote:
Hi
I think this post is [OT] but also i think is the apropiate audience...
I'am now working on making personalized menus for Musix distro. I try to
do this task using the freedesktop rules, using .desktop files and the
"Categories" field. This is a real problem. All audio Apps put
"AudioVideo"
tag... and all apps apear together on a single menu option... Mixers merged
with synths... with DAWs... with virtual keyboards... Well... when the user
chooses the "multimedia" option of system menu... the submenu have three
columns of apps... Only a little set of apps put more specific tag like
"Midi" or "Synthesis"...
This behavoir can be modified using more "Categories" tags describing
more closely the app... But this cant be done without the agreement of
linux apps developers about a clasification...
I can make a proposal to add some tags?
[snip]
I can see where you are coming from. The Sound & Video menu on my desktop
(E17) is a mess. Categorizing these better would be nice, but I just cannot
see how you will find a way to break it up that most people will agree with.
For instance, I do not necessarily agree with the categories you suggest,
seems like too many IMO.
I would suggest either using very broad categories (max of 3, 4, for example)
or leaving it alone altogether. Even the other non-audio related menus are
questionable across different desktops. An end user can always edit them
if it bothers them that much.
Raymond
5:53 a.m.
Raymond Martin wrote:
On November 3, 2009 01:22:30 pm Daniel Vidal wrote:
I thought about this also a while ago...
Ubuntu Studio has an extra audio/video production menu
The gnome-main-menu from OpenSuse works also pretty well. You can set
some favourite apps and the others are pretty well organized...
\r
Hi
I think this post is [OT] but also i think is the apropiate audience...
I'am now working on making personalized menus for Musix distro. I try to
do this task using the freedesktop rules, using .desktop files and the
"Categories" field. This is a real problem. All audio Apps put
"AudioVideo"
tag... and all apps apear together on a single menu option... Mixers merged
with synths... with DAWs... with virtual keyboards... Well... when the user
chooses the "multimedia" option of system menu... the submenu have three
columns of apps... Only a little set of apps put more specific tag like
"Midi" or "Synthesis"...
This behavoir can be modified using more "Categories" tags describing
more closely the app... But this cant be done without the agreement of
linux apps developers about a clasification...
I can make a proposal to add some tags?
[snip]
I can see where you are coming from. The Sound & Video menu on my desktop
(E17) is a mess. Categorizing these better would be nice, but I just cannot
see how you will find a way to break it up that most people will agree with.
For instance, I do not necessarily agree with the categories you suggest,
seems like too many IMO.
I would suggest either using very broad categories (max of 3, 4, for example)
or leaving it alone altogether. Even the other non-audio related menus are
questionable across different desktops. An end user can always edit them
if it bothers them that much. 
6:06 a.m.
2009/11/4 rosea grammostola <rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com>
Raymond Martin wrote:
cannot
You could always transform your entire desktop to conform to a
personally-categorised menu (with X-$customcat), with the help of the shell.
Copy the chosen apps' entries from /usr/share/applications and place them in
a tmp location, then run:
sed -i 's/Categories=.*/Categories=X-MyCat;/' *
After that move them to ~/.local/share/applications. Application devs could
provide desktop files with their own X-* category, there is no harm.
On November 3, 2009 01:22:30 pm Daniel Vidal
wrote:
> Hi
>
> I think this post is [OT] but also i think is the apropiate
audience...
>
> I'am now working on making personalized menus for Musix distro. I try
to
> do this task using the freedesktop rules,
using .desktop files and the
> "Categories" field. This is a real problem. All audio Apps put
"AudioVideo"
> tag... and all apps apear together on a
single menu option... Mixers
merged
> with synths... with DAWs... with virtual
keyboards... Well... when the
user
chooses
the "multimedia" option of system menu... the submenu have three
columns of apps... Only a little set of apps put more specific tag like
"Midi" or "Synthesis"...
This behavoir can be modified using more "Categories" tags describing
more closely the app... But this cant be done without the agreement of
linux apps developers about a clasification...
I can make a proposal to add some tags?
[snip]
I can see where you are coming from. The Sound & Video menu on my desktop
(E17) is a mess. Categorizing these better would be nice, but I just see how you will find a way to break it up that
most people will agree
with.
For instance, I do not necessarily agree with the
categories you suggest,
seems like too many IMO.
I would suggest either using very broad categories (max of 3, 4, for
example)
or leaving it alone altogether. Even the other
non-audio related menus
are
questionable across different desktops. An end
user can always edit them
if it bothers them that much.
I thought about this also a while ago...
Ubuntu Studio has an extra audio/video production menu
The gnome-main-menu from OpenSuse works also pretty well. You can set
some favourite apps and the others are pretty well organized...
\r
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6 Nov
6 Nov
6:17 a.m.
On Tuesday, November 3, 2009, Daniel Vidal wrote:
I'am now working on making personalized menus
for Musix distro. I try to
do this task using the freedesktop rules, using .desktop files and the
"Categories" field. This is a real problem. All audio Apps put
"AudioVideo"
tag... and all apps apear together on a single menu option... Mixers merged
with synths... with DAWs... with virtual keyboards... Well... when the user
chooses the "multimedia" option of system menu... the submenu have three
columns of apps... Only a little set of apps put more specific tag like
"Midi" or "Synthesis"...
I would strongly recommend to adhere to the published standards:
http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html
If there is a real need for more registered categories, the way to go is to
propose the new categories to be included in future releases of the standard.
Some of your proposed additional categories correspond to registered ones:
AudioPlayer
Player; Audio or Video or AudioVideo
Mixer
Mixer;AudioVideo;Audio;
WaveEditor
ScoreEditor
AudioVideoEditing; Audio or Video or AudioVideo
There are other already existing categories:
Midi;AudioVideo;Audio;
Sequencer;AudioVideo;Audio
Recorder; Audio or Video or AudioVideo
Music; AudioVideo or Education
Regards,
Pedro
6:41 a.m.
Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
On Tuesday, November 3, 2009, Daniel Vidal wrote:
For a user it's more comfortable to have one menu for all entries
instead of having sub-menus that aren't fine. Just install openSUSE 11.2
RC 1. They added sub menus, thus means that if you compile Qtractor from
svn, it will be found in the sub-menu "video" ;). For users who like to
use menus for hook or by crook will be the need to edit the menu for
each desktop environment separately (nearly impossible because of
freedesktop). In addition even a rubric "Synth" might need sub-menus,
e.g. for the 1000 entries of bristol. Does freedesktop specifications
work for anybody? I can remember that I once had several wastebins on my
desktop ;), that there are always strange side effects when editing
menus, while using more than one desktop environment. The interlacing
between different desktop environments only causes trouble. It would be
much more comfortable if each WM/DE would use it's own files. Btw. I
guess most Linux audio users will start most applications by using a
terminal instead of a menu.
It's the only mail I read of this thread, but sorry, anyway I need to
reply, because the standards of freedesktop very often cause trouble on
my machines, e.g. when using GNOME and KDE and editing the menus, e.g.
by using Alacarte.
:)
Ralf
I'am now working on making personalized
menus for Musix distro. I try to
do this task using the freedesktop rules, using .desktop files and the
"Categories" field. This is a real problem. All audio Apps put
"AudioVideo"
tag... and all apps apear together on a single menu option... Mixers merged
with synths... with DAWs... with virtual keyboards... Well... when the user
chooses the "multimedia" option of system menu... the submenu have three
columns of apps... Only a little set of apps put more specific tag like
"Midi" or "Synthesis"...
I would strongly recommend to adhere to the published standards:
http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html
If there is a real need for more registered categories, the way to go is to
propose the new categories to be included in future releases of the standard.
Some of your proposed additional categories correspond to registered ones:
AudioPlayer
Player; Audio or Video or AudioVideo
Mixer
Mixer;AudioVideo;Audio;
WaveEditor
ScoreEditor
AudioVideoEditing; Audio or Video or AudioVideo
There are other already existing categories:
Midi;AudioVideo;Audio;
Sequencer;AudioVideo;Audio
Recorder; Audio or Video or AudioVideo
Music; AudioVideo or Education
Regards,
Pedro
7:10 a.m.
On Friday, November 6, 2009, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
It's the only mail I read of this thread, but
sorry, anyway I need to
reply, because the standards of freedesktop very often cause trouble on
my machines, e.g. when using GNOME and KDE and editing the menus, e.g.
by using Alacarte.
My recommendations for you and the OP are similar: if you have some valuable
proposal or good ideas to solve real problems for everybody, please push your
proposals to freedesktop.org so they can be applied to the broader audience.
On the other hand, if the .desktop files from some application or some distro
include wrong categories, please send patches and/or complains to the
corresponding responsible people.
Regards,
Pedro
7:12 a.m.
Hi
I'an sorry... my answers are send to personal mail... is my fault...
sorry... I resend to the list
2009/11/6 Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas <pedro.lopez.cabanillas(a)gmail.com>
On Friday, November 6, 2009, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
It's the only mail I read of this thread, but
sorry, anyway I need to
reply, because the standards of freedesktop very often cause trouble on
my machines, e.g. when using GNOME and KDE and editing the menus, e.g.
by using Alacarte.
My recommendations for you and the OP are similar: if you have some
valuable
proposal or good ideas to solve real problems for everybody, please push
your
proposals to freedesktop.org so they can be applied to the broader
audience.
On the other hand, if the .desktop files from some application or some
distro
include wrong categories, please send patches and/or complains to the
corresponding responsible people.
Regards,
Pedro
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7:45 a.m.
Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote:
On Friday, November 6, 2009, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
As I mentioned before:
It's the only mail I read of this thread, but
sorry, anyway I need to
reply, because the standards of freedesktop very often cause trouble on
my machines, e.g. when using GNOME and KDE and editing the menus, e.g.
by using Alacarte.
My recommendations for you and the OP are similar: if you have some valuable
proposal or good ideas to solve real problems for everybody, please push your
proposals to freedesktop.org so they can be applied to the broader audience.
It would be much more comfortable if each WM/DE would
use it's own
files. Btw. I guess most Linux audio users will start most
applications by using a terminal instead of a menu.
While the package manager will install an application, it could ask for
the wanted menu entry. When I made reports because of problems with
freedesktop standards, when using e17 and GNOME, I got a reply that
people should use e17 only and not e17 and GNOME. If I don't want to
have conflicts because of freedesktop standards when using e17 and
GNOME, I should pay somebody to solve this.
So again, my good idea is that all desktops have their own files, thus a
user will be able to customize the menus, desktop etc. without having
trouble.
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