On Thu, 29 Jun, 2006 at 09:57AM -0400, Stephen Sinclair spake thus: Aceness. I ask and I receive. Now, where can I get 1 million pounds for free?

james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote: There's about a million pounds of something at the White House in Washington DC...

On Thu, 29 Jun, 2006 at 12:39PM -0400, Dave Phillips spake thus: I was born in the UK, and I think I'm missing the joke.

On Thu, 29 Jun, 2006 at 12:39PM -0400, Dave Phillips spake thus: I was born in the UK, and I think I'm missing the joke.

check out the STK.

They aren't too specific about the license but I think it's "public domain". I should ask Gary to be more clear about that on the site... Anyways, it is included as a package in Debian (libstk0c2a), and they are one of the best judges on software Freedom I know of.

Here's the copyright file: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/stk/stk_4.2.0-9/libstk0c2… Debianized by Guenter Geiger (Debian/GNU) <geiger(a)debian.org> on Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:55:08 +0200. http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/stk/ Authors: Perry Cook and Gary P. Scavone Copyright: This software was designed and created to be made publicly available for free, primarily for academic purposes, so if you use it, pass it on with this documentation, and for free. But you're right in the sense that they aren't specific in their license about derivative works, which is an important part of the GPL. Steve

On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 13:38 +0100, james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote: Well, I don't know what features you have implemented or wish for, but for what it is worth, I implemented 8 stage envelopes with looping sustainlevels, key- and velocity-follow, the works ... and it is all crap! :-D Honestly, I never use all those features (spare the key-follow) and am instead returning to a much more basic view of envelopes where even the standard ADSR appears to be a bit over-worked. The focus on complex envelopes is perhaps a left-over from another era when stable oscillators were expensive and envelopes fairly cheap to implement, adding a welcomed illusion of complexity. Other implementations made from many smaller basic building blocks, like the ones from Bucla and EMS, was an exclusive for radio-stations and research-centers. Bucla only had attack/decay (but you could chain several elements), EMS had attack/decay/release which I believe comes pretty close to an ideal minimalist approach: * Attack is needed because it may take some time before the system stabilizes after we start adding energy. * Decay is needed because we may have added a single burst of energy, fading away with no further energy being added. * Release is needed for damping, or else all our instruments will be variations of tubular bells and marimbas. A straight forward Farfisa organ has its place too. Is this then really enough to cater for all our envel?pe needs? Given we have a few of them, say a small number like four, and a patchbay, I believe it is. Say we wanted to use a wobbling complex envelope for a punchy trombone bratt? That can still be done with simple envelopes, perhaps even better than with a complex, by routing an LFO through a second (shortish) envelope, modulating the sounding oscillator on top of the main envelope. Combine and conquer! Oscillators are cheap these days and we do not need to rely on a single LFO implemented as a shared resource. Or perhaps we would like a bit of envelope delay to make a sudden change of the sound after a while? One way of doing this could be to put the envelope through a delay line (which we would then need to have made part of the synthesizing algorithm.) There is no need to put the delay feature into the envelope itself. Delay lines are inexpensive these days and, given a patch bay, very flexible and useful little tools also for peak and notch filters. Hey, given enough feedback, we can even use them as spare oscillators ... Another argument in favour of ADR rather than, say ADSR, is if we compare by counting the number of knobs to be assigned. Given a finite amount of knobs, I am convinced it would be more flexible to have four ADR's rather than three ADSR's. And knobs are a finite resource, if for no other reason than the lenght of your arms. Finally, we could throw in a bit of Bucla wisdom and allow the envelopes to retrigger themselves, so as to get us a bank of LFO's instead. With all this being said, what would then be a desireable implementation of a very basic ADR? The decay and release is probably the easiest to come to terms with, because we will simply borrow from physics, which tells us that the system should decay exponentially towards zero. And then some ... Because of the inner damping, we actually do reach zero in finite time. Following the same strategy backwards for the attack unfortunately does not work. Our instruments will sound uninspired and booring ... But if we instead allow us to do it upside down, an exponential decay from zero towards one so to say, then we appear to come much closer to the desired result. Now why is that? I can see two reasons, the first one again having to do with physics. Say we were playing the trombone, then the energy applied from the buildup of pressure is almost explosive in the initial phase, accellerating the system response very quickly, but over time the intial pressure diminishes, giving us a smoother rounding into the sustained part. So it is in part because that that's the way attacks tend to appear naturally. The second reason is that given a choice we wouldn't really like to do it any other way, not even in situations where we gently fade the notes in ... because it makes no sense to play below the hearing-treshold. A fast fade-in to just above hearing-treshold, grabbing the attention, followed by a smooth parking at the sustain level, allows us to be both soft and distinct at the same time. Although technically not part of the envelope itself, a keyfollow, modifying the time of the envelope is a must have. Small high pitced systems tends to decay much faster than the huge and low pithed ones. One thing to remember here, is to keep the unmodifyed reference note within the part of the keyboard that we actually own. Having key zero as a reference is an annoying mistake. The real kicker would of course be if we have aimed high enough in the quality of implementation, as well as applied the re-trigger feature. Then the keyfollow could potentially turn the envelope into a pitched oscillator with variable shape. Aim even higher and make it a stateless function, and we can start implementing FM-synthesis. We could also let one envelope re-trigger another, re-triggering the first. With appropiate settings we would then be on our way into the realms of the Casio CZ-101 ... Oy, this became somewhat lengthier than I intended. I better stop now before it turns into a complete design document for a synthesizer based on simple envelopes and short delay lines. Also ... It is friday evening and I have a beer to attend to :-D Well if you like, you can copy/paste the old ones I have. In the innermost loop there are a few mmx instructions adding up progress and squaring the current value, but they can easily be rewritten to plain C. And like I said, it is perfectly possible to ignore the excess parameters and make a simplified UI > James >

Linear attack sounds OK. Given the exponential way we perceive volume, this *is* the desired function.