Re: [linux-audio-dev] [OT] marketing hype [was: Is ladspa actually la-dsp-a? Is JACK the ultimate solution?}
10 Jun
2004
10 Jun
'04
9:30 a.m.
On 09 Jun 2004 21:10 , Michael Ost <most(a)museresearch.com> sent:
That was exactly Dave's point. Marek wants some kind of "we" thing
going on.
He wants us all to march off in solidarity in the direction he chooses and it
just doesn't work that way. You want to make money, I don't care, Dave
doesn't
care, Paul wants to make money... There is no single correct direction here.
Jan
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:56, Dave Robillard wrote:
There's no reason that it can't. Paul wants to make money from Ardour and I
don't blame him a bit.
I don't think I could possibly care less who
uses 'linux audio'. I
don't really think anyone else here should either - we should be aiming
to build the best system possible, period. Not saying "look! popular
software the people pay money for does this; therefore we must too!"
I'm with a company trying to make money off of linux audio. While I
enjoy the technical/academic discursion (though lots get the
subject-line only review! %), I'd like to think this list could support
those who mix the market with idealism.... like, well, me.
If anything,
we should be looking at the proprietary music software
world to make sure we avoid repeating their mistakes (ridiculous
duplication of effort, lock-in, and horrid UIs for example), not
duplicating them just because. (Not to say we can't take positive
things from that world too though)
Should I drop off the list? I ain't the same 'we' you are, I guess.
10 Jun
10 Jun
2:33 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] [OT] marketing hype [was: Is ladspa actually la-dsp-a? Is JACK the ultimate solution?}
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 07:09, eviltwin69(a)cableone.net wrote:
On 09 Jun 2004 21:10 , Michael Ost
<most(a)museresearch.com> sent:
That was exactly Dave's point. Marek wants some kind of "we" thing
going on.
He wants us all to march off in solidarity in the direction he chooses and it
just doesn't work that way. You want to make money, I don't care, Dave
doesn't
care, Paul wants to make money... There is no single correct direction here.
Jan
Thank you Jan, you've summarized my admittedly flammable rant quite
nicely. :)
I think LAD is just great the way it is: a bunch of people hacking on
linux audio software, doing whatever interests them. Make money, don't,
contribute to existing projects, code your own weird little apps noone
could possile use but you, advocate, never talk to anyone, whatever.
In short, do whatever pleases ya.
That said, the existance of the list should be more well-known. There's
far too much audio stuff going on that isn't even aware of LAD, which
can't be good.
-DR-
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:56, Dave Robillard
wrote:
There's no reason that it can't. Paul wants to make money from Ardour and I
don't blame him a bit.
I don't think I could possibly care less who
uses 'linux audio'. I
don't really think anyone else here should either - we should be aiming
to build the best system possible, period. Not saying "look! popular
software the people pay money for does this; therefore we must too!"
I'm with a company trying to make money off of linux audio. While I
enjoy the technical/academic discursion (though lots get the
subject-line only review! %), I'd like to think this list could support
those who mix the market with idealism.... like, well, me.
If
anything, we should be looking at the proprietary music software
world to make sure we avoid repeating their mistakes (ridiculous
duplication of effort, lock-in, and horrid UIs for example), not
duplicating them just because. (Not to say we can't take positive
things from that world too though)
Should I drop off the list? I ain't the same 'we' you are, I guess.
3:07 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] [OT] marketing hype [was: Is ladspa actually la-dsp-a? Is JACK the ultimate solution?}
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:22:55PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
Of course, do whatever pleases ya, nobody is really saying otherwise,
despite what it might sound like.
I think the phrase "march off in solidarity in the direction he chooses"
is maybe a little unfair. I for one am willing to give him some
leaway. His fishing expedition was reasonable successful, i would
say, in that he now has a broad range of opinions within which he
can come up with a more concrete generally acceptable proposal.
These disussions always hilight the differences, but lets use this
to take note of what we have in common, and make _use_ of the extremely
varied backgrounds and usage expectations here, to further one aim that
i would hope that we could all agree on:
"we want/need better software tools"
Marek obviously has some interests/skills that most hardcore programmers
dont have, so if he comes up with a plan that furthers the above aim, i for
one will assist in it.
--
Tim Orford
That was
exactly Dave's point. Marek wants some kind of "we" thing going on.
He wants us all to march off in solidarity in the direction he chooses and it
just doesn't work that way. You want to make money, I don't care, Dave
doesn't
care, Paul wants to make money... There is no single correct direction here.
Jan
Thank you Jan, you've summarized my admittedly flammable rant quite
nicely. :)
I think LAD is just great the way it is: a bunch of people hacking on
linux audio software, doing whatever interests them. Make money, don't,
contribute to existing projects, code your own weird little apps noone
could possile use but you, advocate, never talk to anyone, whatever.
In short, do whatever pleases ya. 
7:36 p.m.
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On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:22:55 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote:
That said, the existance of the list should be more
well-known. There's
far too much audio stuff going on that isn't even aware of LAD, which
can't be good.
Er, actually thats not neccesarily true. Some people prefer to actually
get on with stuff rather that discussing things on mailing lists ;) and
(IMHO) online communities like this have a particular dynamic thats
heavily influenced by thier size and membership. If all the people who do
"linux audio development" list list would be a different place. Thats not
neccesarily bad, but it would be different.
- Steve
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