8 Jun
2005
8 Jun
'05
7:02 p.m.
And, as I said above, it did work better with some
samples than with
others, but: it works :-)
Here are three example of what it sounds like, using a modified guitar
chord sample as response file :
1 - For this one I softly hit the edge of the pad continuously, and the
middle of the edge harder once at the beginning of the measure :
http://samalyse.com/labs/edrum/audio/beat.ogg
2 - Playing faster ("rolling") with this one :
http://samalyse.com/labs/edrum/audio/roll.ogg
3 - Using a pen to hit and scratch the surface. The rubber surface, made of
several layers of bike tube makes it possible to obtain an interesting
sound (the input level was not high enough for this one, so I normalized it
afterward, it could sounds much better I think) :
http://samalyse.com/labs/edrum/audio/scratch.ogg
As you may see, scratching seems to work fine in here :-)
This is so incredibly cool! Is this technique already in wide use somewhere
that I missed? Because if not, it should be. This means that all you need
for an electronic drum set is a multichannel sound card and some homemade
piezo-triggered pads! And I think with some further experimentation with pad
materials and response files, you can probably come up with all kinds of
permutations on the sound. I'd like to hear what this sounds like using some
traditional drum samples ( like a snare or an 808-style kick ). I'm assuming
that the current samples lack "punch" only because they are from a piano
chord response file.
By the way, Ben, what do you think of my idea of
coupling triggering with
convolution, as stated in my previous mail (above, third paragraph) ?
Here's a diagram to further describe this idea :
pad signal ----> trigger detection ----> sample playback -----
| |
| |
-------------------------------------> convolution <----
|
|
+--> output
Would this be possible ?
You essentially _have_ the drawing, above. You just can't change the sample
on every hit. I don't know what you expect to achieve. Trust me, what
you've got now is much cooler than a triggered playback (although it does not
sound the same)
It is possible that using a triggered sample or some sort of envelope follower
will be required to get the attack of a traditional drum sound. I'm sure
there are lots of ways to improve this simple system beyond jack_convolve. I
think you've stumbled across a really cool synthesis technique!
-Ben
8 Jun
8 Jun
7:52 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Software controller for homemade edrums
Ben Loftis wrote:
Guitar not piano ;-) As I said in my original mail, I tried with a snare drum,
but it sounded like "very far". This may come from my snare drum sample though,
because it has some silence at its end.
I do recognize that convolution allows to keep much of the caracteristics of the
raw pad signal, and that is very cool. When playing (with hands) on these pads,
I felt like it was a real drum instrument, because every little hit was
hearable, and hitting the edges, sides or center caused subtle variations. In
comparison to this, midi triggers look very limited, that is very true.
As you may see,
scratching seems to work fine in here :-)
This is so incredibly cool! Is this technique already in wide use somewhere
that I missed? Because if not, it should be. This means that all you need
for an electronic drum set is a multichannel sound card and some homemade
piezo-triggered pads! And I think with some further experimentation with pad
materials and response files, you can probably come up with all kinds of
permutations on the sound. I'd like to hear what this sounds like using some
traditional drum samples ( like a snare or an 808-style kick ). I'm assuming
that the current samples lack "punch" only because they are from a piano
chord response file. By the way,
Ben, what do you think of my idea of coupling triggering with
convolution, as stated in my previous mail (above, third paragraph) ?
Here's a diagram to further describe this idea :
pad signal ----> trigger detection ----> sample playback -----
| |
| |
-------------------------------------> convolution <----
|
|
+--> output
Would this be possible ?
You essentially _have_ the drawing, above. You just can't change the sample
on every hit. I don't know what you expect to achieve. Trust me, what
you've got now is much cooler than a triggered playback (although it does not
sound the same) It is possible that using a triggered sample or some
sort of envelope follower
will be required to get the attack of a traditional drum sound. I'm sure
there are lots of ways to improve this simple system beyond jack_convolve. I
think you've stumbled across a really cool synthesis technique!
That's it, you understood why I had this idea : the "attack" of the sound.
This
chord sample I used is very short, and pretty "constant". What about longer
samples, with a real attack and sustain ? Anyway, thinking about it, I'm not
sure this is a good idea. I suppose the attack should be possible to obtain
without triggering anything, or just some sort of envelope as you say.
I guess some important points are :
- tuning the convolution algorithm and its parameters for this specific task, if
possible
- using the right response files
- carefully choosing the pad material, and microphone position
- possibly applying some sustain/etc.. (ladspa) filters between the pad signal
and the convolution engine
- a _lot_ of cpu ;-)
PS: Could anyone point me toward a document explaining the
technical/mathematical details of convolution, especially about audio ?
Regards
--
og
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