27 Aug
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27 Aug
'08
2:35 p.m.
I've been thinking about the same thing. Specifically I wanted to try and
use an OCZ NIA for drum input into hydrogen. I've seen a few videos of them
people demoing the unit, but don't personally know anyone that's tried one.
There is no linux support afik either for them. I'd be interested if you
make any progress to hear about it.
Nathanael
27 Aug
27 Aug
5:08 p.m.
New subject: [LAD] Mind control hardware/software for Audio
The OCZ NIA (without any drivers) reports itself
in /proc/bus/input/devices as a standard HID (Human Interface Device),
after which it starts sending a steady stream of sensor-data, formatted
as a binary struct input_event (see linux/input.h)
Now then what sensor is supposed to be connected to what is another
matter, but I suppose that if you try one out you will be able to figure
out what is going on ...
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 11:35 -0500, Nathanael Anderson wrote:
I've been thinking about the same thing.
Specifically I wanted to try
and use an OCZ NIA for drum input into hydrogen. I've seen a few
videos of them people demoing the unit, but don't personally know
anyone that's tried one. There is no linux support afik either for
them. I'd be interested if you make any progress to hear about it.
Nathanael
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28 Aug
12:34 a.m.
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Jens M Andreasen wrote:
The OCZ NIA (without any drivers) reports itself
in /proc/bus/input/devices as a standard HID (Human Interface Device),
after which it starts sending a steady stream of sensor-data, formatted
as a binary struct input_event (see linux/input.h)
So would it be best to convert this to osc for passing around control
signals or midi or leaving it raw?
Now then what sensor is supposed to be connected to
what is another
matter, but I suppose that if you try one out you will be able to figure
out what is going on ...
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 11:35 -0500, Nathanael Anderson wrote:
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I've been thinking about the same thing.
Specifically I wanted to try
and use an OCZ NIA for drum input into hydrogen. I've seen a few
videos of them people demoing the unit, but don't personally know
anyone that's tried one. There is no linux support afik either for
them. I'd be interested if you make any progress to hear about it.
Nathanael
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4 a.m.
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On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 09:34 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Jens M Andreasen wrote:
I have a NuLOOQ here that I convert to a joystick (using udev.) From
there, there are existing bridges to whatever if not direct support.
Regarding Nathanael's idea of "drum control at the wink of an eye": This
may not work as intended depending on the time-resolution of the device.
The NuLOOQ for instance, sends messages every 10ms from the lower 3-way
mechanical part - which is fine for pitch-bend/modulation control - but
drops to 20ms when you use the upper circular touchpad/jogwheel. IMNSHO,
latency/jitter in the 20ms range would be totally broken for triggering
drums.
But without having the actual device available for investigation, it's
quite impossible to form any opinion on its usefulness.
The OCZ NIA (without any drivers) reports itself
in /proc/bus/input/devices as a standard HID (Human Interface Device),
after which it starts sending a steady stream of sensor-data, formatted
as a binary struct input_event (see linux/input.h)
So would it be best to convert this to osc for passing around control
signals or midi or leaving it raw?
5:28 a.m.
New subject: [LAD] Mind control hardware/software for Audio
Jens M Andreasen wrote:
But without having the actual device available for investigation, it's
quite impossible to form any opinion on its usefulness.
Not surprising really.
I'm trying to figure out how a drummer would trigger events.
It would be fairly impractical and stupid looking to be jumping around
and waving your arms about just to get a kick drum or a snare to trigger.
Maybe it could be run by emotion. As in you think a happy thought and
the bass kicks in. The happier the thought the louder the bass... Sad
thought and the tinkly chimes are triggered?
Maybe as a group it would be more interesting and creative?
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5:51 a.m.
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Den Thursday 28 August 2008 09.27.07 skrev Patrick Shirkey:
Jens M Andreasen wrote:
Just a suggestion. You need tempo also. I can't see (I'm not saying it can't
be done) how you could think so many happy thoughts that you could play, let
say prestissimo (extremely fast). I think even adagio (about one happy
thought a second) would be problematic.
/bengan
But without having the actual device available
for investigation, it's
quite impossible to form any opinion on its usefulness.
Not surprising really.
I'm trying to figure out how a drummer would trigger events.
It would be fairly impractical and stupid looking to be jumping around
and waving your arms about just to get a kick drum or a snare to trigger.
Maybe it could be run by emotion. As in you think a happy thought and
the bass kicks in. The happier the thought the louder the bass... Sad
thought and the tinkly chimes are triggered?
6:13 a.m.
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Bengt Gördén wrote:
Den Thursday 28 August 2008 09.27.07 skrev Patrick
Shirkey:
Maybe that's where waving your arms round would come in. ie the faster
you pump the faster the beat...
So that would give us one sample with tempo per person atm. Not sure how
to get a full kit running though.
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Jens M Andreasen wrote:
Just a suggestion. You need tempo also. I can't see (I'm not saying it can't
be done) how you could think so many happy thoughts that you could play, let
say prestissimo (extremely fast). I think even adagio (about one happy
thought a second) would be problematic.
But without having the actual device available
for investigation, it's
quite impossible to form any opinion on its usefulness.
Not surprising really.
I'm trying to figure out how a drummer would trigger events.
It would be fairly impractical and stupid looking to be jumping around
and waving your arms about just to get a kick drum or a snare to trigger.
Maybe it could be run by emotion. As in you think a happy thought and
the bass kicks in. The happier the thought the louder the bass... Sad
thought and the tinkly chimes are triggered?
6:15 a.m.
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Bengt Gördén wrote:
Den Thursday 28 August 2008 09.27.07 skrev Patrick
Shirkey:
Hehehe
I'm seeing it now.
Think of a conductor moving the baton.
The speed of the baton and maybe the direction could set the tempo. The
thought sets the sample. Stamp your foot to change to a different sample
etc...
Would look like one of those dancing policemen directing traffic.
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Boost Hardware Ltd.
Jens M Andreasen wrote:
Just a suggestion. You need tempo also. I can't see (I'm not saying it can't
be done) how you could think so many happy thoughts that you could play, let
say prestissimo (extremely fast). I think even adagio (about one happy
thought a second) would be problematic.
But without having the actual device available
for investigation, it's
quite impossible to form any opinion on its usefulness.
Not surprising really.
I'm trying to figure out how a drummer would trigger events.
It would be fairly impractical and stupid looking to be jumping around
and waving your arms about just to get a kick drum or a snare to trigger.
Maybe it could be run by emotion. As in you think a happy thought and
the bass kicks in. The happier the thought the louder the bass... Sad
thought and the tinkly chimes are triggered?
7:03 a.m.
New subject: [LAD] Mind control hardware/software for Audio
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 09:50 +0200, Bengt Gördén wrote:
Just a suggestion. You need tempo also. I can't
see (I'm not saying it can't
be done) how you could think so many happy thoughts that you could play, let
say prestissimo (extremely fast). I think even adagio (about one happy
thought a second) would be problematic.
I believe that, hiring a drummer with a tendency to dramatic changes of
mood several times per second would pose a set of problems all of its
own ,,, Really! You don't want to go there :)
[And that's under the assumption that this device even remotely measures
anything that could be - by the best of will - interpreted as emotion,
which nobody so far has bothered showing]
7:13 a.m.
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Jens M Andreasen wrote:
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 09:50 +0200, Bengt Gördén
wrote:
Another issue would be notation. Would we have to use smilies and
various other heiroglyphics?
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Just a suggestion. You need tempo also. I
can't see (I'm not saying it can't
be done) how you could think so many happy thoughts that you could play, let
say prestissimo (extremely fast). I think even adagio (about one happy
thought a second) would be problematic.
I believe that, hiring a drummer with a tendency to dramatic changes of
mood several times per second would pose a set of problems all of its
own ,,, Really! You don't want to go there :)
[And that's under the assumption that this device even remotely measures
anything that could be - by the best of will - interpreted as emotion,
which nobody so far has bothered showing]
8:14 a.m.
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Am Donnerstag, 28. August 2008 schrieb Patrick Shirkey:
Jens M Andreasen wrote:
You guys should also think about using it live: What do you think the drummer
will "play" when seeing a nice lady in the audience?
Arnold
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On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 09:50 +0200, Bengt Gördén
wrote:
Another issue would be notation. Would
we have to use smilies and
various other heiroglyphics? Just a suggestion. You need tempo also. I
can't see (I'm not saying it
can't be done) how you could think so many happy thoughts that you could
play, let say prestissimo (extremely fast). I think even adagio (about
one happy thought a second) would be problematic.
I believe that, hiring a drummer
with a tendency to dramatic changes of
mood several times per second would pose a set of problems all of its
own ,,, Really! You don't want to go there :)
[And that's under the assumption that this device even remotely measures
anything that could be - by the best of will - interpreted as emotion,
which nobody so far has bothered showing]
8:30 a.m.
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Arnold Krille wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 28. August 2008 schrieb Patrick
Shirkey:
I think James Brown and Barry White already took care of that problem
for us. If the user was "charged" then they would probably play very
loudly and quickly.
I'm also wondering about the software. I'm sure they are already working
on it but it would be useful to have self learning software which could
quickly adapt to signals from the brain and learn to do what you wanted
it to do over time. You would need a very strong signal for cancel so if
it chose a sample or action that you weren't intending then you could
cancel it and it would provide some options for what you really wanted
to do. Then it would store that reference for future use so that you
could effectively compose your samples in advance.
I guess the biggest problem for live use will be people distracting you
by asking you to play their requests etc... That could really screw up a
set.
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Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd.
Jens M Andreasen wrote:
You guys should also think about using it live: What do you think the drummer
will "play" when seeing a nice lady in the audience?
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 09:50 +0200, Bengt Gördén
wrote:
Another issue would be notation. Would we have to use smilies and
various other heiroglyphics?
Just a suggestion. You need tempo also. I
can't see (I'm not saying it
can't be done) how you could think so many happy thoughts that you could
play, let say prestissimo (extremely fast). I think even adagio (about
one happy thought a second) would be problematic.
I believe that, hiring a drummer with a tendency to dramatic changes of
mood several times per second would pose a set of problems all of its
own ,,, Really! You don't want to go there :)
[And that's under the assumption that this device even remotely measures
anything that could be - by the best of will - interpreted as emotion,
which nobody so far has bothered showing]
9:10 a.m.
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On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 12:13 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
You guys should also think about using it live: What do you think the drummer
will "play" when seeing a nice lady in the audience?
He would of course let the lady's unsuspecting boyfriend wear the stupid
headset for a while, and then sneaker off with her back to the motel,
no?
Unlike horns, guitarist and vocals up front, drummers have a real hard
time getting physical with the audience during the performance.
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