4 Jan
2005
4 Jan
'05
4:37 a.m.
Hello all,
This post is not a flame, it is just a questionning about how works and
thinks the Linux Audio Community...
Later on LAU and LAD there was a big and nervous thread that was
schematicaly talking about the lack of manufacturers wanted to
collaborate with the Linux developpers in order to get their products
working on our favorite OS.
Recently I have succeeded in convicing a Manufacturer (Wave Idea) to
consider the importance of giving Linux support to his products. I was
really convince myself that this initiative will be encouraged by the
Linux Audio community. That's why I have posted an help request to make
Wave Idea products fully Linux compliant.
I felt very disappointed when I saw my request stands quiet. Perhaps there
is something basic I don't understand about the Linux Audio Community as I
have register to the list only few months ago.
Tell me what is wrong with my post and how I could improve communication
with all LA fellows
Kind Regards
PS: perhaps because I'm french and my english is poor :)
4 Jan
4 Jan
5:01 a.m.
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:38:32 -0000 (UCT)
"Dubphil" <dubphil(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hello all,
This post is not a flame, it is just a questionning about how works and
thinks the Linux Audio Community...
Later on LAU and LAD there was a big and nervous thread that was
schematicaly talking about the lack of manufacturers wanted to
collaborate with the Linux developpers in order to get their products
working on our favorite OS.
Recently I have succeeded in convicing a Manufacturer (Wave Idea) to
consider the importance of giving Linux support to his products. I was
really convince myself that this initiative will be encouraged by the
Linux Audio community. That's why I have posted an help request to make
Wave Idea products fully Linux compliant.
The problem is that the device you wrote about was a MIDI interface and
the LA community seems much more interested in digital audio than it is
in MIDI. I'm sure if your device was a high end, reasonably priced
multi-channel digital audio interface you would have been overwhelmed
with responses.
PS: perhaps because I'm french and my english is
poor :)
You english is fine.
Erik
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7:25 a.m.
Hallo,
Erik de Castro Lopo hat gesagt: // Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:38:32 -0000 (UCT)
"Dubphil" <dubphil(a)free.fr> wrote:
I don't think, that this is the reason. There are several other
reasons, the most important one is: The announcement asking for help
was just some days ago, and generally no new project starts in just a
couple of days, especially not at that time of the year.
Getting developers to join a project is one of the hardest things to
do in the Free Software world and it takes a lot of time. Just think
about Ardour: For a long time this was mainly the project of Paul
alone, IIRC. He pushed things forward and over the *years* has found a
good amount of co-developers. And Ardour is of interest to many more
people than a configuration tool for a piece of hardware, that not
many people own or will buy, because - let's face it - it's expensive.
I'm currently struggling with getting support for a strange kind of
webcam into Pd, and as I'm currently the only one using such a beast,
I'm on my own for now. That's the way it is, patience is a virtue,
time is limited etc. etc. I don't blame anyone, and in my experience
there will always come support for something sooner or later.
Ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
Recently I have succeeded in convicing a Manufacturer (Wave Idea) to
consider the importance of giving Linux support to his products. I was
really convince myself that this initiative will be encouraged by the
Linux Audio community. That's why I have posted an help request to make
Wave Idea products fully Linux compliant.
The problem is that the device you wrote about was a MIDI interface and
the LA community seems much more interested in digital audio than it is
in MIDI. I'm sure if your device was a high end, reasonably priced
multi-channel digital audio interface you would have been overwhelmed
with responses.
3:51 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:25:40PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
I don't think, that this is the reason. There are several other
reasons, the most important one is: The announcement asking for help
was just some days ago, and generally no new project starts in just a
couple of days, especially not at that time of the year.
Getting developers to join a project is one of the hardest things to
do in the Free Software world and it takes a lot of time. Just think
about Ardour: For a long time this was mainly the project of Paul
alone, IIRC. He pushed things forward and over the *years* has found a
good amount of co-developers. And Ardour is of interest to many more
people than a configuration tool for a piece of hardware, that not
many people own or will buy, because - let's face it - it's expensive.
I'm currently struggling with getting support for a strange kind of
webcam into Pd, and as I'm currently the only one using such a beast,
I'm on my own for now. That's the way it is, patience is a virtue,
time is limited etc. etc. I don't blame anyone, and in my experience
there will always come support for something sooner or later.
This explanation sounds more serious for me, but I'm not a C++ coder and
i couldn't surely manage this project myself for the beginning :(
Nevertheless, good look with your webcam :)
Philippe
7:11 a.m.
Dubphil wrote:
Recently I have succeeded in convicing a Manufacturer
(Wave Idea) to
consider the importance of giving Linux support to his products. I was
really convince myself that this initiative will be encouraged by the
Linux Audio community. That's why I have posted an help request to make
Wave Idea products fully Linux compliant.
I did not see that help request and I also did not find it in the mail archives.
Cheers,
Andreas
7:50 a.m.
I finally found the request. I was looking for "Wave Idea" instead of
"WaveIdea"
...
I have replied to Dubphil by private mail.
Cheers,
Andreas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andreas Kuckartz" <A.Kuckartz(a)ping.de>
To: "The Linux Audio Developers' Mailing List"
<linux-audio-dev(a)music.columbia.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Disappointing LA community ?
Dubphil wrote:
archives.
Recently I have succeeded in convicing a
Manufacturer (Wave Idea) to
consider the importance of giving Linux support to his products. I was
really convince myself that this initiative will be encouraged by the
Linux Audio community. That's why I have posted an help request to make
Wave Idea products fully Linux compliant.
I did not see that help request and I also did not find it in the mail
Cheers,
Andreas
7:29 a.m.
Hi list,
"Dubphil" <dubphil(a)free.fr> wrote:
Recently I have succeeded in convicing a Manufacturer
(Wave Idea) to
consider the importance of giving Linux support to his products. I was
really convince myself that this initiative will be encouraged by the
Linux Audio community. That's why I have posted an help request to make
Wave Idea products fully Linux compliant.
I felt very disappointed when I saw my request stands quiet. Perhaps there
is something basic I don't understand about the Linux Audio Community as I
have register to the list only few months ago.
Tell me what is wrong with my post and how I could improve communication
with all LA fellows
There is nothing wrong at all - when I read your annoucement, I checked out
the website of WaveIdea, downloaded the pdf manual for the Bitstream 3x and
found it to be a very interesting versatile MIDI controller (and the PDF also
looks quite complete to me). I might have thought about ordering one, but
"unfortunately" I already have a Doepfer Pocket Dial for a while that at
least covers the "dials" section.
I believe one real problem is that most developers have too much projects
they are working on and too little time for supporting other projects.
PS: perhaps because I'm french and my english is
poor :)
I have no problem in understanding you - your english is fine.
Greetings,
Frank
4:14 p.m.
On Tue, 2005-04-01 at 09:38 +0000, Dubphil wrote:
Hello all,
This post is not a flame, it is just a questionning about how works and
thinks the Linux Audio Community...
Later on LAU and LAD there was a big and nervous thread that was
schematicaly talking about the lack of manufacturers wanted to
collaborate with the Linux developpers in order to get their products
working on our favorite OS.
Recently I have succeeded in convicing a Manufacturer (Wave Idea) to
consider the importance of giving Linux support to his products. I was
really convince myself that this initiative will be encouraged by the
Linux Audio community. That's why I have posted an help request to make
Wave Idea products fully Linux compliant.
I felt very disappointed when I saw my request stands quiet. Perhaps there
is something basic I don't understand about the Linux Audio Community as I
have register to the list only few months ago.
Tell me what is wrong with my post and how I could improve communication
with all LA fellows
While I'm sure we all love to see openness and support, there's still no
incentive to work on support for a MIDI controller you don't own.
Someone will get around to it when the need arises (assuming they have
the freedom to do so)
Now.. if you buy me one.. incentive! :) (only half kidding)
-DR-
6 Jan
6 Jan
1:24 a.m.
Dubphil wrote:
Hello all,
This post is not a flame, it is just a questionning about how works and
thinks the Linux Audio Community...
as said before, your original post was just a few days ago, and i for
one have a lot of mail to catch up on after the holiday season.
but now i've read the web page and it looks like a very cool and
innovative product!
if they are serious about linux support, maybe they could demo it at the
linux audio conference this year? that way, they might easily get people
hooked to it :)
frank, is that within the scope of lac?
(last year we had the hartmann guys there presenting the neuron
synthesizes, and even though they are not very much into open-source
culture, it was a very interesting talk...)
regards,
jörn
7:03 a.m.
Hi all,
Joern Nettingsmeier <nettings(a)folkwang-hochschule.de> wrote:
Absolutely fine by me. Dubphil, as you already have the connections with
them - could you just "nudge" them towards http://www.zkm.de/lac and see
if they are interested in presenting their product here? If they have
more questions, they should send them either to me or directly to
lac2005(a)zkm.de - we could then continue discussing the conditions with them
(what/how to demo, fees etc).
Greetings,
Frank
This post is
not a flame, it is just a questionning about how works and
thinks the Linux Audio Community...
as said before, your original post was just a few days ago, and i for
one have a lot of mail to catch up on after the holiday season.
but now i've read the web page and it looks like a very cool and
innovative product!
if they are serious about linux support, maybe they could demo it at the
linux audio conference this year? that way, they might easily get people
hooked to it :)
frank, is that within the scope of lac? 
7:37 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] LAC 2005
them - could you just "nudge" them towards
http://www.zkm.de/lac and see
Just a side-note:
the site shows the following:
"Registration is not yet possible. Please come back to this page by
beginning of December 2004."
mmm...
greets,
Pieter
10:02 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-dev] LAC 2005
Hi lst,
Pieter Palmers <pieterp(a)joow.be> wrote:
Just a
side-note:
the site shows the following:
"Registration is not yet possible. Please come back to this page by
beginning of December 2004."
mmm...
Yeah, I know - sorry for that. Was concentrating on other things in the last
weeks. This should be up within a week now (I hope).
Greetings,
Frank
8:11 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:24:27AM +0100, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
Dubphil wrote:
Thanks a lot for this suggestion Jörn I will point them with this.
Philippe
Hello all,
This post is not a flame, it is just a questionning about how works and
thinks the Linux Audio Community...
as said before, your original post was just a few days ago, and i for
one have a lot of mail to catch up on after the holiday season.
but now i've read the web page and it looks like a very cool and
innovative product!
if they are serious about linux support, maybe they could demo it at the
linux audio conference this year? that way, they might easily get people
hooked to it :)
frank, is that within the scope of lac?
(last year we had the hartmann guys there presenting the neuron
synthesizes, and even though they are not very much into open-source
culture, it was a very interesting talk...)
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