What a shame. Let's take this away from here. Now. My reply to this nonsense, in case anyone is interested, can be found on dodgeit.com here, as long as it lasts (about seven days I think): http://www.dodgeit.com/run/checkmail?mailbox=bobhamsflame Further nonsense, if anyone wishes to indulge in it, can be contributed by sending mail to bobhamsflame(a)dodgeit.com. My apologies to everyone on the list for my part in wasting your time in this way and for winding Bob up enough to cause him to choose to copy his personal email to this list. Cheers, Wayne -- Wayne Myers http://www.waz.easynet.co.uk/ http://www.conniptions.org/