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Cedric Roux

21 May 2017 21 May '17

6:54 p.m.

To whom it may concern... That's what happens when you use crappy service by crappy private company obsessed by crappy copyrights. crap world

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Louigi Verona

21 May 21 May

8:42 p.m.

Hey Cedric! Any other details, apart from the rant at Google and the world? :) On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Cedric Roux <sed(a)free.fr> wrote:

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To whom it may concern... That's what happens when you use crappy service by crappy private company obsessed by crappy copyrights. crap world _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev

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Cedric Roux

8:46 p.m.

Oh my, I forgot the URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IzbVBSBZ4 On 05/21/2017 08:42 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:

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Hey Cedric! Any other details, apart from the rant at Google and the world? :) On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Cedric Roux <sed(a)free.fr <mailto:sed@free.fr>> wrote: To whom it may concern... That's what happens when you use crappy service by crappy private company obsessed by crappy copyrights. crap world _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org <mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev> -- Louigi Verona https://www.patreon.com/droning https://louigiverona.com/

Louigi Verona

8:47 p.m.

Is this an actual complaint? On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Cedric Roux <sed(a)free.fr> wrote:

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Oh my, I forgot the URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IzbVBSBZ4 On 05/21/2017 08:42 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:

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Cedric Roux

8:48 p.m.

it's to inform people from LAC who may want to act on it (contact youtube, put the videos somewhere else) On 05/21/2017 08:47 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:

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Is this an actual complaint? On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Cedric Roux <sed(a)free.fr <mailto:sed@free.fr>> wrote: Oh my, I forgot the URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IzbVBSBZ4 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IzbVBSBZ4> On 05/21/2017 08:42 PM, Louigi Verona wrote: Hey Cedric! Any other details, apart from the rant at Google and the world? :) On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Cedric Roux <sed(a)free.fr <mailto:sed@free.fr> <mailto:sed@free.fr <mailto:sed@free.fr>>> wrote: To whom it may concern... That's what happens when you use crappy service by crappy private company obsessed by crappy copyrights. crap world _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org <mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org> <mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org <mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev> <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev>> -- Louigi Verona https://www.patreon.com/droning <https://www.patreon.com/droning> https://louigiverona.com/ -- Louigi Verona https://www.patreon.com/droning https://louigiverona.com/

Louigi Verona

8:50 p.m.

No, I mean there seems to be an owner of the content (an Institute) that is claiming copyright. But I am not sure how this works. YT will have specific phrases for specific block reasons. On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Cedric Roux <sed(a)free.fr> wrote:

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it's to inform people from LAC who may want to act on it (contact youtube, put the videos somewhere else) On 05/21/2017 08:47 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:

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Louigi Verona

9:14 p.m.

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it's to inform people from LAC who may want to act on it (contact youtube, put the videos somewhere else) On 05/21/2017 08:47 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:

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Hermann Meyer

9:23 p.m.

However, I never seen LAC videos so fast online, my compliments to the organisation team. Am 21.05.2017 um 21:14 schrieb Louigi Verona:

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"This video contains content from INA - Institut National de l'Audiovisuel, who has blocked it on copyright grounds." So I believe this was a complaint. Which is interesting. You started the thread by blaming a "crappy company", but it turns out the complaint was filed by a National Institute. But Google gets the blame :) While in IRC, I actually heard someone mentioned copyrighted material in the stream. It is a pity that they did not contact LAC organizers to resolve the matter and just used YouTube tools for that. But then each one of us would feel differently when it is their content being used without permission. I do hope this matter gets resolved. On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com <mailto:louigi.verona@gmail.com>> wrote: No, I mean there seems to be an owner of the content (an Institute) that is claiming copyright. But I am not sure how this works. YT will have specific phrases for specific block reasons. On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Cedric Roux <sed(a)free.fr <mailto:sed@free.fr>> wrote: it's to inform people from LAC who may want to act on it (contact youtube, put the videos somewhere else) On 05/21/2017 08:47 PM, Louigi Verona wrote: Is this an actual complaint? On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Cedric Roux <sed(a)free.fr <mailto:sed@free.fr> <mailto:sed@free.fr <mailto:sed@free.fr>>> wrote: Oh my, I forgot the URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IzbVBSBZ4 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IzbVBSBZ4> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IzbVBSBZ4 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IzbVBSBZ4>> On 05/21/2017 08:42 PM, Louigi Verona wrote: Hey Cedric! Any other details, apart from the rant at Google and the world? :) On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Cedric Roux <sed(a)free.fr <mailto:sed@free.fr> <mailto:sed@free.fr <mailto:sed@free.fr>> <mailto:sed@free.fr <mailto:sed@free.fr> <mailto:sed@free.fr <mailto:sed@free.fr>>>> wrote: To whom it may concern... That's what happens when you use crappy service by crappy private company obsessed by crappy copyrights. crap world _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org <mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org> <mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org <mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org>> <mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org <mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org> <mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org <mailto:Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev> <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev>> <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev> <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev <http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev>>> -- Louigi Verona https://www.patreon.com/droning <https://www.patreon.com/droning> <https://www.patreon.com/droning <https://www.patreon.com/droning>> https://louigiverona.com/ -- Louigi Verona https://www.patreon.com/droning <https://www.patreon.com/droning> https://louigiverona.com/ -- Louigi Verona https://www.patreon.com/droning <https://www.patreon.com/droning> https://louigiverona.com/ -- Louigi Verona https://www.patreon.com/droning https://louigiverona.com/ _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev

IOhannes m zmoelnig

22 May 22 May

11:22 a.m.

On 2017-05-21 20:50, Louigi Verona wrote:

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No, I mean there seems to be an owner of the content (an Institute) that is claiming copyright. But I am not sure how this works. YT will have specific phrases for specific block reasons.

i don't think so. usually youtube does not act on specific claims by the copyright holders, but rather proactively searches for potential copyright violations (via "Content ID") and blocks the content until any issues are sorted out. i've had videos of 14 year old pianists playing beethoven being blocked, because ContentID thought that that was actually a recording by Yehudi Menuhin. (sometimes they *are* right though) fgasmdr IOhannes

Louigi Verona

11:32 a.m.

YouTube does act on specific right holders complaints. I know this as a fact. You can go to any video and complain. Many YT vbloggers, including quite prominent ones, complain. Explanation from the Nostalgia Critic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVqFAMOtwaI On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:22 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at> wrote:

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On 2017-05-21 20:50, Louigi Verona wrote:

No, I mean there seems to be an owner of the content (an Institute) that

claiming copyright. But I am not sure how this works. YT will have

specific

phrases for specific block reasons.

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IOhannes m zmoelnig

11:55 a.m.

On 2017-05-22 11:32, Louigi Verona wrote:

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YouTube does act on specific right holders complaints. I know this as a fact. You can go to any video and complain. Many YT vbloggers, including quite prominent ones, complain.

i was not doubting that they do. sorry if you perceived it like that. i was doubting that in this specific instance, 3 days after some obscure conference put up a video of some random talk¹, any real copyright holder would have actually filed a copyright complaint (or even taken notice of the upload). most likely the "Institut National de l'Audiovisuel" has previously filed a generic "protect my content" request with youtube. and most likely thierry used material in his keynote that can *also* be found in the INA archives (note: i don't know whether it as actually thierry's talk that triggered the block; i just think that it is rather likely that this is the case). i'm CCing laurent and thierry, so they can sort out whether there actually are any copyright violations before they reject the coypright claims. fgmsdr IOhannes ¹ no insults intended, this is just to put things into relations as perceived outside our peer group. cf mclaren vs toyota.

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