1 Mar
2007
1 Mar
'07
12:07 p.m.
Hi everyone,
As I said yesterday when I said the migration to linuxaudio.org was
postponed till 1st April, there are still a few issues asking for
comments.
It has been suggested by a few people(Ivica Ico Bukvic, Jan Weil) that
the email addresses linux-audio-xxxxx(a)linuxaudio.org was kind of
redundant. The following suggestions were made :
¤ just switch the names to announce(a)linuxaudio.org,
dev(a)linuxaudio.org, and user(a)linuxaudio.org.
¤ Make aliases : linux-audio-dev(a)linuxaudio.org -> dev(a)linuxaudio.org
To this Leonard Ritter replied that this could lead to more spam.
IMO, since we are working on a spamassassin+mailman interfacing, it
should not be a problem. The aliases seem the solution that could make
everyone happy since both type of addresses would work and the lists
would keep their "historical" names.
Ready, steady... FLAME !
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
PS : please reply to both lists (I'll try to be swift on moderating
users that are not registered on both lists) so everyone can enjoy
your comments :-)
1 Mar
1 Mar
12:41 p.m.
Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
Hi everyone,
As I said yesterday when I said the migration to linuxaudio.org was
postponed till 1st April, there are still a few issues asking for
comments.
It has been suggested by a few people(Ivica Ico Bukvic, Jan Weil) that
the email addresses linux-audio-xxxxx(a)linuxaudio.org was kind of
redundant. The following suggestions were made :
� just switch the names to announce(a)linuxaudio.org,
dev(a)linuxaudio.org, and user(a)linuxaudio.org.
� Make aliases : linux-audio-dev(a)linuxaudio.org -> dev(a)linuxaudio.org
To this Leonard Ritter replied that this could lead to more spam.
he might be right. a random bot is more likely to spam
user(a)linuxaudio.org than linux-audio-user@...
a compromise woud be la-user, la-dev , la-ann -
or user-ml@.. (mailing-list), etc. (but that's not catchy enough)
I'd suggest to alias the other way round:
if dev(a)linuxaudio.org is Spammed, you can announce and drop this feature
again while everyone with "linux-audio-dev(a)linuxaudio.org" in their
address book won't ever notice.
in short term dev@.. will have less SPAM than linux-audio-dev, and in
the long-run SpamAssassin will mark dup.-postings in blacklists..
OTOH; with dev@lao - we'd benefit from a shorter subject! [la-dev]
compared to [linux-audio-dev] - there are usually < 50 chars for subject
in a 80x24 terminal :) - for email shortcuts there is an addressbook and
personally I use "LAD" as nick for it.
robin
1:13 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 05:41:49PM +0100, Robin Gareus wrote:
he might be right. a random bot is more likely to
spam
user(a)linuxaudio.org than linux-audio-user@...
a compromise woud be la-user, la-dev , la-ann -
or user-ml@.. (mailing-list), etc. (but that's not catchy enough)
or lad, lau, laa as many of us tend to refer to them colloquially.
-Eric Rz.
2:45 p.m.
On 3/1/07, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki <eric(a)zhevny.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 05:41:49PM +0100, Robin Gareus
wrote:
This solution is far too obvious. My brain simply refuses to consider this.
;-)
More seriously, I also thought of those. But lad(a)linuxaudio.org may
raise the same problems as user(a)linuxaudio.org (at least for
dictionary based random spam if such a thing exists, and I have no
doubt it does).
Thought I admit that the most obvious alias for these lists would be
lad, lau and laa.
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
he might be right. a random bot is more likely to
spam
user(a)linuxaudio.org than linux-audio-user@...
a compromise woud be la-user, la-dev , la-ann -
or user-ml@.. (mailing-list), etc. (but that's not catchy enough)
or lad, lau, laa as many of us tend to refer to them colloquially. 
7:06 p.m.
On 3/1/07, Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
On 3/1/07, Marc-Olivier Barre
<mobarre(a)gmail.com> wrote:
OMG... Since you asked I checked. All this time I was thinking the LAD
and LAU lists were open to non members given moderation... they are
not, this is why I don't get spam to moderate. Any non member email is
forwarded to the admin email, which _is_ a bunch of spam. I had never
managed to find out where it came from :-/
This settles the matter on spam I guess. As far as LAA is concerned,
it's opened to non subscribers, thus the spam. IMHO it needs to stay
like this so anyone can post his announce even if he's not a member.
For the 12th time today I made a fool of myself, and I'm pround of it !
;-P
Cheers,
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
(at least for
dictionary based random spam if such a thing exists, and I have no
doubt it does).
I can verify that it certainly does exist. But the lists are
subscribers only right?
5 Mar
5 Mar
12:11 p.m.
Hi,
Two more question have been raised in another thread :
Wouldn't it be easier then to subscribe the
consortium list address to
LAA?
Agreed, it would be very easy... Ico, comments are welcome.
And by the way, it's been considered good practice
to cross-post
announcements to LAA, LAU, and LAD. If this is the case, why aren't
announcements to LAA forwarded automatically to LAU and LAD?
Good question. Normally there should not be any problems either for
this. Comments are welcome.
Once more, try to reply to both lists.
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
6:15 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc-Olivier Barre [mailto:mobarre@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:11 AM
To: The Linux Audio Developers' Mailing List; A list for linux audio users
Cc: Ivica Ico Bukvic
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] List migration to linuxaudio.org :
remaining issues.
Hi,
Two more question have been raised in another thread :
Sorry, I missed this one. Would this mean having announcements automagically
cross posted between consortium and laa? If so, sounds reasonable although
not entirely transparent since consortium tries to cater primarily to its
members and also tries not to bother who do not feel convinced that the
consortium is the best way to deal with our community's challenges, and this
kind of move would suggest that the entire LA* community is endorsing
consortium which might be too presumptuous. Please do correct me if I am
wrong...
Best wishes,
Ico
Wouldn't it be easier then to subscribe the
consortium list address to
LAA?
Agreed, it would be very easy... Ico, comments are welcome.
6 Mar
6 Mar
8:59 a.m.
On 3/5/07, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico(a)vt.edu> wrote:
Yep you are :-)
Actually what was suggested is the other way round, meaning that if
you subscribe the consortium to LAA, everything posted on LAA will be
recieved by the consortium. LAA users would not notice anything and
the consortium will recieve any announces posted. So the decision is
yours, since your the consortium's admin.
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
Soon in Berlin !
Hi,
Two more question have been raised in another thread :
Sorry, I missed this one. Would this mean having announcements automagically
cross posted between consortium and laa? If so, sounds reasonable although
not entirely transparent since consortium tries to cater primarily to its
members and also tries not to bother who do not feel convinced that the
consortium is the best way to deal with our community's challenges, and this
kind of move would suggest that the entire LA* community is endorsing
consortium which might be too presumptuous. Please do correct me if I am
wrong... Wouldn't it be easier then to subscribe the
consortium list address to
LAA?
Agreed, it would be very easy... Ico, comments are welcome. 
7:29 a.m.
"Marc-Olivier Barre" <mobarre(a)gmail.com> writes:
LAA
Isn't an RSS feed more suitable for this?
--
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http://www. s t n m
irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact
sip:b0ef@ e e
jid:b0ef@ n n
8:37 a.m.
On 3/6/07, Esben Stien <b0ef(a)esben-stien.name> wrote:
"Marc-Olivier Barre"
<mobarre(a)gmail.com> writes:
This looks like a good old "why not have forums" question ;-)
Can you post an answer to an RSS feed ? nope. With LAA, one can reply
to LAU or LAD to add some kind of comments, debate, whatever.
Of course, you are free to setup an RSS feed base on LAA archives for instance.
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
LAA
Isn't an RSS feed more suitable for this?
1 Mar
1 Mar
2:38 p.m.
On 3/1/07, Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
he might be right. a random bot is more likely to
spam
user(a)linuxaudio.org than linux-audio-user@...
Ok, right...
a compromise woud be la-user, la-dev , la-ann -
or user-ml@.. (mailing-list), etc. (but that's not catchy enough)
Agreed
I'd suggest to alias the other way round:
if dev(a)linuxaudio.org is Spammed, you can announce and drop this feature
again while everyone with "linux-audio-dev(a)linuxaudio.org" in their
address book won't ever notice.
If I understand you well, it means making dev(a)linuxaudio.org an alias
(that can be dropped if causing too much issues) right ?
in short term dev@.. will have less SPAM than
linux-audio-dev, and in
the long-run SpamAssassin will mark dup.-postings in blacklists..
Well, to be
honest ATM there seems to be no spam on linux-audio-dev to
be moderated and none received in my mailbox (from lad). It has always
surprised me.
OTOH; with dev@lao - we'd benefit from a shorter
subject! [la-dev]
compared to [linux-audio-dev] - there are usually < 50 chars for subject
in a 80x24 terminal :) - for email shortcuts there is an addressbook and
personally I use "LAD" as nick for it.
Prefix for the subject line can be changed. It's the subject_prefix
parameter. we could make it [LAD], [LAU] and [LAA] (that's the
shortest I can think of and it would make terminal users happy).
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre,
Markinoko.
3:09 p.m.
Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
lucky you :) - maybe those spammers are friendly when they sense a lost
case or is linux-audio scaring them off? .grin.
in this case you can even provide more aliases, not that it would make
much sense...
it might cause loads of readers to change their mail-filter(s). but
moving to linuxaudio.org will alter the X-Been-There header anyway.
just do it in one step. april fools day!
gonna be fun,
robin
On 3/1/07, Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org>
wrote:
yes. -lad , lau & laa are even better aliases!
retaining the orginal mailbox names, should also make it easier for
(external-)email-archives to migrate to the new archive...
he might be right. a random bot is more likely to
spam
user(a)linuxaudio.org than linux-audio-user@...
Ok, right...
a compromise woud be la-user, la-dev , la-ann -
or user-ml@.. (mailing-list), etc. (but that's not catchy enough)
Agreed
I'd suggest to alias the other way round:
if dev(a)linuxaudio.org is Spammed, you can announce and drop this feature
again while everyone with "linux-audio-dev(a)linuxaudio.org" in their
address book won't ever notice.
If I understand you well, it means making dev(a)linuxaudio.org an alias
(that can be dropped if causing too much issues) right ? in short term
dev@.. will have less SPAM than linux-audio-dev, and in
the long-run SpamAssassin will mark dup.-postings in blacklists..
Well, to be
honest ATM there seems to be no spam on linux-audio-dev to
be moderated and none received in my mailbox (from lad). It has always
surprised me. OTOH; with
dev@lao - we'd benefit from a shorter subject! [la-dev]
compared to [linux-audio-dev] - there are usually < 50 chars for subject
in a 80x24 terminal :) - for email shortcuts there is an addressbook and
personally I use "LAD" as nick for it.
Prefix for the subject line can be changed. It's the subject_prefix
parameter. we could make it [LAD], [LAU] and [LAA] (that's the
shortest I can think of and it would make terminal users happy).
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