2 Nov
2011
2 Nov
'11
2:24 p.m.
Paul Davis:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Iain Duncan
<iainduncanlists(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Actually, since Python has an incremental garbage collector,
it should in theory only require replacing the memory allocator with a
real time
memory allocator to make Python pretty hard real time capable. I think.
I also think I remember someone using Python for real time sample
by sample signal processing in Pd...
Efficiency is another story though
Hi, I'm working on an a project that I intend
to do using the STK in a
callback style, but am hoping I can prototype the architecture in python
until I've figured out the various components and their responsibilities
and
dependencies. Does anyone know of any kind of python library ( or
method? )
that would let me simulate the way callback based STK apps using RTAudio
work? IE I want to have a python master callable that gets called once
per
audio sample and has a way of sending out it's results to the audio
subsystem.
I've found a bunch of python audio libs but it doesn't seem like they
work
that way, maybe I'm missing something?
the obvious choices would be the python wrappers for JACK and/or
PortAudio.
note, however, that the chances of using Python for per-sample
processing at low latency without intense dropouts are low.
2 Nov
2 Nov
2:25 p.m.
New subject: prototyping callback based architecture in python?
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Kjetil Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
I also think I remember someone using Python for real
time sample
by sample signal processing in Pd...
right, but not sample-by-sample, or am i misremembering Pd internals?
2:37 p.m.
New subject: prototyping callback based architecture in python?
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Kjetil Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
It is possible (and quite simle) to write a wrapper for letting python do
sample-by-sample processing in Pd. I remember someone mentioning
someone doing it, but this was in 2005, and the performance was
so bad it wasn't useful. But I might remember wrong.
I also think I remember someone using Python for
real time sample
by sample signal processing in Pd...
right, but not sample-by-sample, or am i misremembering Pd internals?
6:02 p.m.
New subject: prototyping callback based architecture in python?
Thanks guys, it looked from what I could see on the port audio page that
only non-blocking was supported, but Gary said on the stk list that it
might be possible with the python wrappers in the rtaudio package. I
realize it's probably not going to be practical as a long term solution (
though I sure with it were possible ) but as I actually earn my living
coding python and am a total C++ amateur, it's probably worth saving some
frustration figuring out architecture in a python prototype. I'm ok with
high latency for now.
Kjetil, do you know if anyone has experimented with a real time memory
allocator for Python?
Thanks
Iain
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Kjetil Matheussen <k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no
wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Kjetil Matheussen
> > <k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no
wrote:
> >
> >> I also think I remember someone using Python for real time sample
> >> by sample signal processing in Pd...
> >
> > right, but not sample-by-sample, or am i misremembering Pd internals?
> >
>
> It is possible (and quite simle) to write a wrapper for letting python do
> sample-by-sample processing in Pd. I remember someone mentioning
> someone doing it, but this was in 2005, and the performance was
> so bad it wasn't useful. But I might remember wrong.
>
>
>
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7:27 p.m.
New subject: prototyping callback based architecture in python?
For anyone interested, it turns out there is an alpha package in rtaudio
that wraps RTAudio's callback facility in python, added this year by one of
Gary Scavone's students, Antoine Lefebvre. It's incomplete (doesn't yet
support all the rtaudio options) so it's hard to tell whether it's working
super well on my machine, but it compiles and runs and makes a sine wave
ok. It'll give me something to port with for now at any rate, and maybe I
can help complete it.
it's in rtaudio-4.0.10/contrib/python/pyrtaudio
iain
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Thanks guys, it looked from what I could see on the
port audio page that
only non-blocking was supported, but Gary said on the stk list that it
might be possible with the python wrappers in the rtaudio package. I
realize it's probably not going to be practical as a long term solution (
though I sure with it were possible ) but as I actually earn my living
coding python and am a total C++ amateur, it's probably worth saving some
frustration figuring out architecture in a python prototype. I'm ok with
high latency for now.
Kjetil, do you know if anyone has experimented with a real time memory
allocator for Python?
Thanks
Iain
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Kjetil Matheussen <
k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
On Wed,
Nov 2, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Kjetil Matheussen
<k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
It is possible (and quite simle) to write a wrapper for letting python do
sample-by-sample processing in Pd. I remember someone mentioning
someone doing it, but this was in 2005, and the performance was
so bad it wasn't useful. But I might remember wrong.
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I also think I remember someone using Python for
real time sample
by sample signal processing in Pd...
right, but not sample-by-sample, or am i misremembering Pd internals?
4 Nov
4 Nov
7:20 p.m.
New subject: prototyping callback based architecture in python?
Thanks guys, it looked from what I could see on the
port audio page that
only non-blocking was supported, but Gary said on the stk list that it
might be possible with the python wrappers in the rtaudio package. I
realize it's probably not going to be practical as a long term solution (
though I sure with it were possible ) but as I actually earn my living
coding python and am a total C++ amateur, it's probably worth saving some
frustration figuring out architecture in a python prototype. I'm ok with
high latency for now.
Kjetil, do you know if anyone has experimented with a real time memory
allocator for Python?
No, I don't know.
Are you sure you need to use Python? There are other high level languages
letting you do this, which are much faster than Python.
LuaAV for Lua is the most obvious since Lua is the same
type of language as Python. Other alternatives I know of are Faust,
Kronos (if it's available now) and Snd-RT.
(Of those last three, you should look at Faust first.)
7:32 p.m.
New subject: prototyping callback based architecture in python?
Thanks guys,
it looked from what I could see on the port audio page that
only non-blocking was supported, but Gary said on the stk list that it
might be possible with the python wrappers in the rtaudio package. I
realize it's probably not going to be practical as a long term solution
(
though I sure with it were possible ) but as I actually earn my living
coding python and am a total C++ amateur, it's probably worth saving
some
frustration figuring out architecture in a python prototype. I'm ok with
high latency for now.
Kjetil, do you know if anyone has experimented with a real time memory
allocator for Python?
No, I don't know.
Are you sure you need to use Python? There are other high level languages
letting you do this, which are much faster than Python.
LuaAV for Lua is the most obvious since Lua is the same
type of language as Python. Other alternatives I know of are Faust,
Kronos (if it's available now) and Snd-RT.
(Of those last three, you should look at Faust first.)
7:40 p.m.
New subject: prototyping callback based architecture in python?
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Kjetil Matheussen <
k.s.matheussen(a)notam02.no> wrote:
Well, I code in Python for a living, so as far as maximizing developer time
it makes sense! And there are a lot of nice libraries out there for doing
things in Python ( gui, midi, osc interfaces, etc )
iain
Thanks guys, it looked from what I could see on the
port audio page that
only non-blocking was supported, but Gary said on the stk list that it
might be possible with the python wrappers in the rtaudio package. I
realize it's probably not going to be practical as a long term solution
(
though I sure with it were possible ) but as I actually earn my living
coding python and am a total C++ amateur, it's probably worth saving
some
frustration figuring out architecture in a python prototype. I'm ok with
high latency for now.
Kjetil, do you know if anyone has experimented with a real time memory
allocator for Python?
No, I don't know.
Are you sure you need to use Python? There are other high level languages
letting you do this, which are much faster than Python.
LuaAV for Lua is the most obvious since Lua is the same
type of language as Python. Other alternatives I know of are Faust,
Kronos (if it's available now) and Snd-RT.
(Of those last three, you should look at Faust first.)
9:43 p.m.
New subject: prototyping callback based architecture in python?
2011/11/4 Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists(a)gmail.com>om>:
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Kjetil Matheussen
While I can understand your desire to code in Pyhton,
what you are trying to accomplish is not simple with Pyhton
(if possible at all), not even with C.
All your questions are just the beginning of a very huge problem ;)
I presume: by trying to use Python for this, dev-time will grow
exponentially ...
Do you have any experience in connecting python to C, "wrapping" ?
I would advice (if asked ;) to skip
Python for the real-time part.
Use any language that is capable.
(Apparently, most "Python Modules" are actually Wrapper-Classes for C
- would you call that a capable language ? ;)
You could still write the GUI in Python,
choosing any applicable protocol (OSC, D-Bus, ...) l in order to
connect to the non-rt part of the engine.
--
E.R.
> Are you sure you need to use Python? There
are other high level
> languages
> letting you do this, which are much faster than Python.
> LuaAV for Lua is the most obvious since Lua is the same
> type of language as Python. Other alternatives I know of are Faust,
> Kronos (if it's available now) and Snd-RT.
> (Of those last three, you should look at Faust first.)
>
Well, I code in Python for a living, so as far as maximizing developer time
it makes sense! And there are a lot of nice libraries out there for doing
things in Python ( gui, midi, osc interfaces, etc )
10:08 p.m.
New subject: prototyping callback based architecture in python?
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Emanuel Rumpf <xbran(a)web.de> wrote:
2011/11/4 Iain Duncan
<iainduncanlists(a)gmail.com>om>:
Thanks for the opinion Emmanual, very helpful. Yeah, it may be better to
just start off in C++ for the engine side and bite the bullet there.
iain
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Kjetil Matheussen
time
> Are you sure you need to use Python? There
are other high level
> languages
> letting you do this, which are much faster than Python.
> LuaAV for Lua is the most obvious since Lua is the same
> type of language as Python. Other alternatives I know of are Faust,
> Kronos (if it's available now) and Snd-RT.
> (Of those last three, you should look at Faust first.)
>
Well, I code in Python for a living, so as far as maximizing developer it makes sense! And there are a lot of nice
libraries out there for doing
things in Python ( gui, midi, osc interfaces, etc )
While I can understand your desire to code in Pyhton,
what you are trying to accomplish is not simple with Pyhton
(if possible at all), not even with C.
All your questions are just the beginning of a very huge problem ;)
I presume: by trying to use Python for this, dev-time will grow
exponentially ...
Do you have any experience in connecting python to C, "wrapping" ?
I would advice (if asked ;) to skip
Python for the real-time part.
Use any language that is capable.
(Apparently, most "Python Modules" are actually Wrapper-Classes for C
- would you call that a capable language ? ;)
You could still write the GUI in Python,
choosing any applicable protocol (OSC, D-Bus, ...) l in order to
connect to the non-rt part of the engine.
6 Nov
6 Nov
10:34 a.m.
New subject: prototyping callback based architecture in python?
2011/11/4 Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists(a)gmail.com>om>:
Thanks for the opinion Emmanual, very helpful. Yeah, it may be better to
just start off in C++ for the engine side and bite the bullet there.
"You can use C++ for it." - that doesn't mean you should ;)
There may be more appropriate progr. languages.
For example look at Processing
http://processing.org/
Serpent is close to what you are watching out,
it has a Syntax very close to Python.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~music/aura/serpent-info.htm
If you remain with C++, you have to decide for a cross-platform framework.
For example JUCE, SFML or LGI.
More here:
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/programming_libraries#dimensional
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