On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM, drew Roberts<zotz(a)100jamz.com> wrote:
> On Friday 10 July 2009 13:24:57 you wrote:
>> 2009/7/10 Burkhard Wölfel <versuchsanstalt(a)gmx.de>:
>> > Am 10.07.2009 um 16:28 schrieb drew Roberts <zotz(a)100jamz.com>:
>> >> Just for fun:
>> >>
>> >> http://classicalconvert.com/2007/07/the-stupidest-music-lawsuit-ever-inf
>> >>ringing-on-cages-433/
>> >> http://archives.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/23/uk.silence/
>> >
>> > Thanks for the links. I am sure Cage would have laughed about the
>> > lawsuit. Who knows if Ed. Peters would have sued if he were still alive.
>> >
>> > What the articles are missing, and I think that is an important aspect
>> > of the work, is the various reactions of the audience when 4'33 is
>> > performed. If you have the chance to listen (sic!) to such a
>> > performance, don't miss it. Bear in mind that modern audiences are
>> > usually informed about the nature of the piece and you are not likely
>> > to witness very angry reactions. The grotesque aspect of it gets far
>> > more attention today.
>> >
>> > By the way, did you know that all four movements are available on
>> > iTunes? 0,99€ each, as you would expect.
>> >
>> > Again, I am sure he'd have laughed about it, happy about the discussion.
>> >
>> > Oh yes, and did you know also that Cage did not listen to recorded
>> > music at all?
>> >
>> > - Burkhard
>> >
>> >> drew
>> >>
>> >> On Friday 10 July 2009 02:13:46 Arnold Krille wrote:
>> >>> On Thursday 09 July 2009 23:12:09 drew Roberts wrote:
>> >>>> On Thursday 09 July 2009 13:10:08 you wrote:
>> >>>>> We could call it 4'33"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yeah but there could well be copyright issues if one person quotes
>> >>>> another person's nothing.
>> >>>
>> >>> No, until now citations are allowed if they stay within reasonable
>> >>> size
>> >>> compared to the original. So you aren't allowed to quote the full
>> >>> silence
>> >>> but quoting short extracts from empty mails is okay... (*)
>> >>>
>> >>> Arnold
>> >>>
>> >>> (*) Of course, german newspapers are working towards making citations
>> >>> non-free of charge. :-/
>> >>
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>> The lawsuit was not stupid. They credited Cage as a composer, and
>> seeing as he had nothing to do with making the piece, they could have
>> at least gotten permission to use the composition they were
>> referencing if they were going to use his name on their work.
>
> Seems the proper thing to do might have been to demand that the credit be
> removed unless the actual silence was indeed sampled... ~;-) Rather than to
> demand payment as if he was involved with the making of the piece. Or???
>
> all the best,
>
> drew
>
IIRC, they did demand the removal of the Cage credit. The damages were
for the albums sold where Cage was falsely credited / his composition
was used without prior permission (which of the two occurred is of
course ambiguous). At no point was the idea of "sampling" an issue.
If I did a track where I played ten consecutive notes from a Jimi
Hendrix solo, nobody would notice or care. If I co-credited Jimi
Hendrix as a composer on the liner notes without arranging (and most
likely paying for) prior permission, you should expect his estate's
lawyers would want to talk to me about this. And if people were buying
the album because Jimi Hendrix's name was on it, the Hendrix estate
would have every right to sue for damages. How is this case any
different?
Hi
I work quite a lot with music made from samples. To ease the process of
tuning samples, I thought "there might be a good linux tuning software
outthere", but couldn't really find any, maybe because I don't know what
to type in google :-)
I found http://linux-sound.org/guitar.html and also looked at fmit and
tuneit, but all seem old and a quick build of the two most interesting
apps, fmit and gtkguitune, failed (we can dig later if those are
recommended apps).
So I'm looking for a recommendation: Which jack-enabled software could
help me tune samples? If it doesn't get confused when the sample
contains more notes, like a chord it would be great!
NB: Sorry if I overlooked something obvious, I never worked with
software of this type before...
--
Atte
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:59:52 -0700
From: munkeyfreenix batcat <munkeyfreenix.batcat(a)gmail.com>
Hi, welcome.
A few comments:
1. The RT kernel is the linux real time kernel, and you can get it with any
distro. How your particular distro decides to provide it for you is one of
the things that make distros different. Since Ubuntu is debian-based, it
uses apt-get (or synaptics gui front end) as the package management system.
I'm not sure if you can apt-get the real-time kernel from there. On gentoo,
one runs 'emerge gentoo-sources', which grabs the kernel source tree and
places it in /usr/src/linux. For gentoo, then you need to configure and
compile your own kernel. Ubuntu was designed with the idea that users would
never really compile their own kernel. I left ubuntu because I couldn't get
alsa or jack to work properly, and felt as detached from the system as I did
on windoze.
2. Is Alsa started? I imagine Ubuntu should start alsa on startup, but look
into whether or not your alsa drivers have been configured properly. It will
probably be different for you, but something like '/etc/init.d/alsasound
status' will tell you if its started or stopped. if its stopped, rerun that
command and replace status with start, or --verbose start if it fails to
start.
3. You probably don't know if the alsa drivers are compiled into the kernel
or as loadable modules, but should find out. I found that in-kernel alsa
drivers just don't work, so I compile them all as modules and have them load
at boot. 'lsmod |grep -i snd' should show if alsa drivers are loaded, and
which ones. if you don't get anything that way, try 'modprobe -l | grep -i
snd'. This will list all available LKM (loadable kernel modules). Perhaps
the soundblaster driver has not been loaded. If you find the right module,
but its not showing in lsmod, do 'modprobe <module-name>'. That will load
the driver.
4. Check the Alsa wiki and site. Check them again. Also look at kernel.org:
http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt
5. If you can't get things going under Ubuntu within a week, ditch ubuntu
(personal opinion). Linux audio is NOT easy, nor for those not willing to
work to make it work. Try other distros like openSUSE, arch linux, gentoo,
centOS. Ubuntu is a great intro, but you may want something more flexible to
handle problems like these. Also keep in mind that a tough install also
usually has more rewards, since you must learn your machine up front.
best,
justin
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:09 PM, <webmaster(a)seconnecticut.com> wrote:
> I have two Ubuntu computers, one running 8.04 and the other running 9.04.
> Since Ubuntu is said to offer a RT kernel and a version that has been
> customized for audio work, I was surprised to find that it is not so easy
> to
> configure audio in Ubuntu. Debian recognized my SoundBlaster audigy card
> immediately and used it. For Ubuntu the small app that is supposed to
> select
> the sound card doesn't seem to do anything.
>
> So I started asking questions of Google and found that there are a number
> of
> people who are having difficulty configuring Soundblaster on Ubuntu. It
> looks to be a chronic problem.
>
> Aside from that SlashDot.org had a link to this last week, although it
> seems
> to be vintage 2007.
>
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2007/05/welcome_to_the_jungle.html
>
> There is a map of Linux Audio Applications that looks to be useful
> documentation. Any comments on the rather critical note ?
>
>
Tried most of the distros you suggested and have settled with ubuntu studio. None of them are perfect and they all have flaws. Just installed the RT kernel and works well from the repos. Nothing synaptic cannot handle. Check the forums -- particularly http://www.ubuntuforums.org and you will see a number of things where I personally have worked through some issues. Would be happy to help share what I know.
Paul
Hi everyone!
I made a quick fix solution to the alsa multicard problem that turns up
when you have more than one soundcard. In this case, the alsa device
number is volatile and you have to update your QJackCtl config after
every boot.
The description is here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/MulticardQuickfix
It is on the Ubuntu Wiki, because that is what I use, but the
instructions should work unchanged for any linux distribution.
Thanks for having a look! Let me know if I can improve something.
Carlo
Hi,
I was just wondering if any of you has an opinion about the AVLinux 2
distribution - it seems to be a recent update.
http://www.bandshed.net/
The list of included apps doesn't include Jack, but perhaps that is
so much a no-brainer that they didn't mention that it is there.
Best
Jurgen
> Message: 28
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:54:22 +0300
> From: Asmo Koskinen <asmo.koskinen(a)arkki.info>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] ubuntu realtime.
I did not take quotes from the following link because the whole thing deserves
a (re)read
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2009-April/004507.html
This bummed be out so I had to quote this:
> Almost down for the count, Cory K.
The note was a plea for help so I would like to see what we can do.
There are so many things to discuss and so many possible directions to go in
Just thinking about it can be overwhelming
Free (not free beer, but freedom) is wonderful, but it ironically can be
more paralyzing than confinement, so let me start with a simple and self
limiting proposal:
I tried to write this list a few times, and every time it got too long and
complicated. At the risk of being flamed here is my simple list:
- Manual install (like arch Linux) is fine and probably preferred. (manual is
fine, but complete default instructions would be needed)
- specific hardware (i.e. motherboard, video card and audio interface) is fine
- most/all of the popular audio apps with a kernel that combined to create a
system that was extremely stable and had reasonable latency (less than 10ms?
Or maybe less than 7ms? What ever can be done with reasonable and reliable
settings?)
- I would donate at least $100 per year (If a thousand people joined me that
would be $100K Could one person full time, or several people part-time sign
up for that?
- I would donate a few years in advance say three years (If this would help
someone/some-few decide to do this)
- I would also help out. This assumes the individual or small core team would
dedicate sufficient time to partition the tasks in a way that would facilitate
widespread involvement.
Questions:
Ignoring resources (money, people, etc) is it reasonable to build and maintain
such a distribution?
Is $100k per year enough? If not how much is needed?
Are 1000 users at $100 reasonable to expect? How about 2000 at $50? Or 500 at
$200 (I would consider donating $200/year) Strike that If this existed today
I would donate $200.
I know that the conventional wisdom is that Linux audio is not for new Linux
users but I think that is the root of the chicken/egg problem that we have
here. A predictable, stable, reliable audio distribution may generate the
support that the particular distribution (and Linux audio in general) needs to
get to the next level.
Can we prime this pump with a conservative but very useful distribution?
Sorry for the crossposting, but the statistics show that only some people have subscribed to all three lists.
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Hello!
I've done a new one today as well. Is more on the jazzrock side of things.
Linux software used:
LinuxSampler (Piano, Brass and Drums)
Nama(ecasound) + LADSPA plugins for recording/mixing
I'd also be greatful for feedback. I have the definite feeling this can use
some mastering? The bass seems a bit to fulminant at times? Or is it just my
speakers?
You can find it here:
http://juliencoder.de/feisty_dinner.ogg
Enjoy, if it's possible... :-)
Warm regards
Julien
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