Linux-audio-user April 2012

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Linux Audio Conference 2012 at CCRMA - live stream coverage starting tomorrow

by Jörn Nettingsmeier

Hi *! On behalf of the conference organizers, we would like to invite you to join the Linux Audio Conference 2012, kindly hosted by the Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA) at Stanford University. The conference will start tomorrow, Thursday April 12, at 10:00 PST (that's UTC - 0700). Please refer to the schedule at http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2012/program for detailed information. We will be streaming all paper presentations live in Ogg Theora/Ogg Vorbis format. Users of the Firefox browser should be able to watch this natively without any plugins. For users of other browsers, we recommend VLC, a cross-platform media player which you can download from http://videolan.org. You are invited to join us on IRC while you're watching the streams, the conference channel is #lac2012 on freenode.net, to be accessed with the chat client of your choice, or via http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=lac2012 Remote participants can post their questions or remarks on this channel, and a local chat operator here in Stanford will then relay them to the presenters and the local audience. You can also use this channel to get help in case of viewing problems. All presentations will be recorded and uploaded for off-line watching within a day or so. Needless to say, access to all streams is free of charge. This is all about open source after all :) The primary stream relay is available at http://ccrma.stanford.edu:8080 (located on the west coast of the US). A secondary relay which is preferrable for European users is at http://streamer.stackingdwarves.net (located in Germany). Best regards, the LAC stream team.

13 years, 1 month

Re: [LAU] poll

by shane richards

Look it up. It's real and sitting in racks right now. The reason I didn't name the company, is because it is much more powerful to see the adverts on the website. I bet half the list didn't even believe me when I mentioned it. But an ad for a known company will convince, which is exactly my point. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan MacDonald Sent: 04/24/12 02:03 AM To: shane richards Subject: Re: [LAU] pol I had seen ads or mentions for that 'certain brand' hardware VST unit but I had no idea it used wine! That is the craziest thing I've read on this list so far actually! I know wine is an amazing feat of reverse eng and does work well enough these days to let you run PS CS5, Office 2007, FL and many big name games almost as well (sometimes a bit better) than real Windows but from my limited testing of running Windows VST plugins under wine vs a native host (like XP/Reaper) you can run twice if not more plugins when run natively on the same hardware. I only run Linux at home and have been doing for longer than most so I love hearing about the continual spread of the penguin but I really don't think this is an appropriate us of it- at least not until the majority of plugins get ported and released natively for Linux so the wine bit could be avoided and the plugins run natively. On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 6:46 PM, shane richards < shanerich(a)email.com > wrote: I can attest that being "guerillas" can only go so far. I know Patrick, Paul etc. have also tried both the "technical" and the "buddy-buddy" approach. It's not working. I've commented before that all the engineers and musicians I've worked with are now not only comfortable with my "nerdy" system being patched in, but also interested in some of the tools we have as native. BUT It's when they ask about such things as hardware support - well, I wouldn't even know what to buy these days...and I've been a Linux enthusiast for 15 years now. When I finally find the information needed, it seems (to them) to be a little "BBS like", and it's a turn off for many people. The drivers list was mentioned earlier, and I often look at that list and think "I really can't be bothered figuring out which card contains what chip that doesn't conflict with some stupid video driver". The latter being a deplorable situation in Linux and really needs to be fixed - I mean video drivers/chips that conflict with audio? Ridiculous. And much of this you only find out *after* making said hardware purchase. People down this part of the world don't have that kind of money to spend - a new Hammerfall means hard saving (huevos y arroz!) for a year or so for a youngish person. That's a real gamble, and a turnoff. Now, if those pages featured the ocaissional advert for Linux friendly audio products/services, it might provide a "tipping-point" for a few people. I could point to a picture and say - what about this product? I've seen this at play - the difference in attitude after showing some of the Mixbus commercials is what enabled me to convince a few people to tryout Ardour, before perhaps buying its commercial spin-off, or donating. Also, I've noticed that a certain brand of hardware VST unit is Linux/wine under the hood. When I was able to point at that well-known name, sitting in the middle of the rack, attitudes immediately changed. The first thing they did was check the adverts on the net. Then came the smiles. These people couldn't give a hoot about philosophy. So if some ads on a website can improve the image and knowledge of what people on this list are doing, and help pay for a website, I'm all for it. Shane. PS: why is it that everytime this subject comes up, I'm in Ecuador? Spooky correlation... _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

13 years, 1 month

Giada looper: a better live session

by Louigi Verona

Hey guys! At the time of writing an article on Giada ( http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_giada) I recorded a test session, just to demo what Giada can do. Today I've made a much better session and changed a link to direct to the newer one. Since I think it is not that bad to listen to, I decided to post it here: http://soundcloud.com/louigiverona/minimal-session-2 This is light house music. I think it is diverse enough to be enjoyable not only for the dance floor. There is a mistake in one place, at 3:05 you will hear the recording skip, that was me changing the number of bars too early :) Anyway, enjoy! -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/

13 years, 1 month

Re: [LAU] pol

by shane richards

I can attest that being "guerillas" can only go so far. I know Patrick, Paul etc. have also tried both the "technical" and the "buddy-buddy" approach. It's not working. I've commented before that all the engineers and musicians I've worked with are now not only comfortable with my "nerdy" system being patched in, but also interested in some of the tools we have as native. BUT It's when they ask about such things as hardware support - well, I wouldn't even know what to buy these days...and I've been a Linux enthusiast for 15 years now. When I finally find the information needed, it seems (to them) to be a little "BBS like", and it's a turn off for many people. The drivers list was mentioned earlier, and I often look at that list and think "I really can't be bothered figuring out which card contains what chip that doesn't conflict with some stupid video driver". The latter being a deplorable situation in Linux and really needs to be fixed - I mean video drivers/chips that conflict with audio? Ridiculous. And much of this you only find out *after* making said hardware purchase. People down this part of the world don't have that kind of money to spend - a new Hammerfall means hard saving (huevos y arroz!) for a year or so for a youngish person. That's a real gamble, and a turnoff. Now, if those pages featured the ocaissional advert for Linux friendly audio products/services, it might provide a "tipping-point" for a few people. I could point to a picture and say - what about this product? I've seen this at play - the difference in attitude after showing some of the Mixbus commercials is what enabled me to convince a few people to tryout Ardour, before perhaps buying its commercial spin-off, or donating. Also, I've noticed that a certain brand of hardware VST unit is Linux/wine under the hood. When I was able to point at that well-known name, sitting in the middle of the rack, attitudes immediately changed. The first thing they did was check the adverts on the net. Then came the smiles. These people couldn't give a hoot about philosophy. So if some ads on a website can improve the image and knowledge of what people on this list are doing, and help pay for a website, I'm all for it. Shane. PS: why is it that everytime this subject comes up, I'm in Ecuador? Spooky correlation...

13 years, 1 month

Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio

by Christoph Kuhr

Hi, i didnt read the whole "poll", but as an audio professional in event business i would really like to see linux in much more professional audio applications... i cant stand that apple hype anymore... everyones running round with iSomethings and kneeling, praying and believing... and annoying... and in my eyes it could be real benefit to have hardware promoted... who knows perhapes companies like motu would do so too, if they see the progress of other manufacturers... and are really annoyed by google ads or facebook ads? for me im blind for all ads, if im not looking for something... Bye Ck On 23.04.2012 14:00, linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org wrote: > Send Linux-audio-user mailing list submissions to > linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > linux-audio-user-request(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > linux-audio-user-owner(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Linux-audio-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Patrick Shirkey) > 2. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Fred) > 3. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Paul Davis) > 4. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Patrick Shirkey) > 5. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Paul Davis) > 6. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Louigi Verona) > 7. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Dan S) > 8. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Patrick Shirkey) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:00:59 +0200 (CEST) > From: "Patrick Shirkey"<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com> > Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio > To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > Message-ID: > <48071.110.32.172.89.1335178860.squirrel(a)boosthardware.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > On Mon, April 23, 2012 2:06 am, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: >> On 04/22/2012 04:04 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >>> On Sun, April 22, 2012 12:52 pm, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: >>>> On 04/22/2012 05:13 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >>>>> Do other people here have any strong opinions on the usefulness of >>>>> advertising in the Linux Audio community? >>>>> >>>> Yes. I completely adhere to Robin's stance. >>>> >>> You do realise that many of the tools being produced by the Linux Audio >>> Community are being used in the advertising industry which makes us all >>> complicit in supporting it to start with. >>> >>> IMO we cannot avoid that fact that advertising and marketing is a very >>> crucial component to global industry which enables the corporate world >>> to >>> continue to function. We should seek to manage our own channel and >>> therefore the message and brand rather than avoid it all together out of >>> some ridiculous fear of becoming Evil. >> Sorry, it is not ridiculous at all. >> > The liklihood of the Linux Audio community succumbing to the evils of the > mighty dollar is pretty ridiculous. We have too many checks and balances > and are not afraid to call a spade a spade. We are certainly not beholden > to anyone else's agenda afaict. > > >>> We may even make enough money in >>> the process to pay some of our community members and help them to be >>> productive and motivated. >> Managing our channel? Sorry, I don't quite understand. Do you mean >> advertising our message on __other__ sites? What is "our message"? >> > The message is whatever we want it to be. If the message is that Linux > Audio is *only* interested in non profit, volunteer or barely breaking > even financial support from educational institutes then I guess we have > already defined it and there is nothing more to be done. > > There is more to this community than just a bunch of well resourced > academics and semi retired technical experts with enough time on their > hands to give away everything for free. > > >>> If we continue to avoid the whole issue that is exactly what the "Evil" >>> marketing companies and corporations would like for us to do so that >>> they >>> can have complete control over the message, brand, content and income >>> stream... >> It would seem to me the issue is not being avoided at all (witness the >> long thread I'm still reading), it is just that not all people in this >> list - which you asked for feedback - agree with your view of the world >> and what linuxaudio.org should/could/must be. >> > That's fine that people disagree with me. I knew that before I asked the > list for feedback. I am seeking to find out how far it goes. Has it been a > conscious choice over the years to avoid the marketing industry as much as > possible or is it simply due to lack of expertise/interest/motivation. > > One thing I don't understand is why some people think that taking steps to > make Linux Audio more attractive to advertisers in terms of providing > access to a professionally run channel for businesses that would like to > associate their brand with the Linux Audio platform is found to be so > distasteful. > > Are we expected to believe that academia will provide all that we need and > therefore nothing else shall be required? What of the people who would > like to earn a living from the platform if possible are they simply on > their own or are we as a commmunity able to support them in their goals > too? > > > >> Linuxaudio.org currently has (AFAIK) complete control of its brand, >> content and message. It is being kindly hosted by vt.edu and run by >> volunteers. But of course I don't know the details. Advertising, if >> anything, will dilute the control of the brand content and message - the >> way I see it of course, you will disagree. As everything else in the >> world, who puts the money eventually controls the message, not the other >> way around. >> > The Linux Audio Consortium was originally setup to promote and support > Audio related businesses who seek to work with the Linux platform. What it > has become is primarily a means of promoting academic research and a "non > profit" agenda. > > >> If advertising is accepted I presume linuxaudio.org will have to be >> hosted somewhere else (out of the .edu domain). Then advertising becomes >> a requirement for the survival of linuxaudio.org. No advertising, no >> hosting money. The more linuxaudio.org depends on advertising to run, >> the more it will be subject to control of its message. >> > That is why I have setup a new domain. linuxaudio.com was already taken > and would cost $3130 if anyone wants to purchase it. I think the > linux-audio.com domain is actually better suited as it provides a bit more > distinction so there should be less confusion from members of the > community. When it comes to people from outside looking in then they > probably won't make a distinction. But that is not necessarily a bad thing > as we can become "greater than the sum of our parts". > > > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey > Boost Hardware Ltd > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:11:37 +0200 > From: Fred<f.rech(a)yahoo.fr> > Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio > To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > Message-ID:<4F9538E9.6030909(a)yahoo.fr> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed > > Le 23/04/2012 13:00, Patrick Shirkey a ?crit : >> What of the people who would >> like to earn a living from the platform if possible are they simply on >> their own or are we as a commmunity able to support them in their goals >> too? >> >> > It could be instructive to have Paul Davis advice on this item ? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:22:22 -0400 > From: Paul Davis<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> > Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio > To: f.rech(a)yahoo.fr > Cc: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > Message-ID: > <CAFa_cKm8vc0o9fEvfZWoZdj=aUHZ-rA9fJ1t8sOLoxnB87ypcQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Fred<f.rech(a)yahoo.fr> wrote: >> Le 23/04/2012 13:00, Patrick Shirkey a ?crit : >>> What of the people who would >>> like to earn a living from the platform if possible are they simply on >>> their own or are we as a commmunity able to support them in their goals >>> too? >>> >>> >> >> It could be instructive to have Paul Davis advice on this item ? > my "advice" is that you all stop wasting time on this inane thread. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:29:37 +0200 (CEST) > From: "Patrick Shirkey"<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com> > Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio > To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > Message-ID: > <48312.110.32.172.89.1335180577.squirrel(a)boosthardware.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > On Mon, April 23, 2012 1:22 pm, Paul Davis wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Fred<f.rech(a)yahoo.fr> wrote: >>> Le 23/04/2012 13:00, Patrick Shirkey a ?crit : >>>> What of the people who would >>>> like to earn a living from the platform if possible are they simply on >>>> their own or are we as a commmunity able to support them in their goals >>>> too? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> It could be instructive to have Paul Davis advice on this item ? >> my "advice" is that you all stop wasting time on this inane thread. > Ouch! > > One of the few people who has managed to make a semblance of financial > return from the Linux Audio platform (well, most of the income comes from > the mac port really ;-P is not interested in advertising or do you just > think it is a foregone conclusion and therefore there is no need to waste > time discussing it? > > > > > -- > Patrick Shirkey > Boost Hardware Ltd > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:33:37 -0400 > From: Paul Davis<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> > Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio > To: Patrick Shirkey<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com> > Cc: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > Message-ID: > <CAFa_cKnLtfTtC1MVFcn6LJM1fUPtEX7-bq8Oxy6VBTAFod1oWA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Patrick Shirkey > <pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com> wrote: > >> One of the few people who has managed to make a semblance of financial >> return from the Linux Audio platform (well, most of the income comes from >> the mac port really ;-P is not interested in advertising or do you just >> think it is a foregone conclusion and therefore there is no need to waste >> time discussing it? > this is the wrong forum (and probably the wrong *type* of forum) for a > discussion about the topic. in fact, even having a discussion about > something like this strikes me as a waste of time. its like discussing > whether to add two lumps of sugar or three to one's morning coffee. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:33:49 +0400 > From: Louigi Verona<louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio > To: Patrick Shirkey<pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com> > Cc: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org > Message-ID: > <CADqqn48TqchGws_E9Ys_S94khkDHi30s=WweQX6-L-LW9b4drA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am reluctant to say more on the topic, but what I would say is that it is > very weird to me that people in this thread consider money "evil", as if we > are in the middle ages. Money is not an evil mystical power and I do not > see how money can "spoil" things. > > I understand how "proprietary" approach is evil for a Linux community and > agree with that, but money itself? > > As long as the ads are designed nicely and are not intrusive and are on the > topic, especially if it is about good audio and midi hardware that works > with GNU/Linux, I just fail to see any issues. > > Louigi. >

13 years, 1 month

New .com domain

by Patrick Shirkey

Hi, Just so people are across the latest developments I have recently created a few new .com domains. http://linux-audio.com http://linuxmusicvideos.com http://linuxaudiojournal.com The last one is still being worked out but the grand idea behind these new domains is that we will be all be able to make some money from advertising. In the future I will be asking for paid assistance and content submissions. In the meantime it will be helpful if people round here could find the time to put up a link to the sites. The links should be wrapped around keywords. ex. <a href="http://linux-audio.com">find out about all the latest Linux focused music and video news and information</a> It helps to personalise the keywords so they are relevant to your pages content too... The more pages on different web servers across the planet that link to these new websites increases the page ranking and traffic and that will help us with SEO which means we can secure higher rates for ads that we place across the channel. Cheers -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd

13 years, 1 month

Hours and Hours

by Folderol

It's been quite a long time since I put a link to any of my new tunes, so maybe you mike like to hear this quietly meditative one. http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Hours_And_Hours.ogg -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

13 years, 1 month

[Music] Piano piece

by Q

Hi Here's a short piano piece that I've written (I haven't come up with a suitable title as yet). It was recorded and mixed in Ardour. FLAC [13.4 MB] www.quirq.ukfsn.org/Quirq_untitled-piano-piece_10-04-12.flac OGG [ogg7, 5.4 MB] www.quirq.ukfsn.org/Quirq_untitled-piano-piece_10-04-12.ogg MP3 [320 kbps, 10.8 MB] www.quirq.ukfsn.org/Quirq_untitled-piano-piece_10-04-12.mp3 I just wish I could play it more to my satisfaction, with better control of the dynamics -- my left-handedness really gets in the way of an even balance. But it's most of the way there and I eventually did a take without hitting a wrong note, so I'm fairly satisfied. I started writing it almost exactly three years ago. I delved back into it a bit in the winter of 2010 and then picked it up again a few months ago and after a concerted effort and a lot of work have finally managed to complete it. Comments welcome. Enjoy. Q

13 years, 1 month

SuperCollider as an electronic music judge

by Jonathan Gazeley

Sorry if this is old news to people on the list - I just spotted this article on the BBC's technology section. Seems like an interesting use of SuperCollider. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17735551 Cheers, Jonathan

13 years, 1 month

Hydrogen Drum Kit Contest : tool to create drumkits

by thijs van severen

Hi All To make it as easy as possible to create a drumkit for the Hydrogen drumkit contest <http://hydrogen.popez.org/hcms/node/2035> i have written a small python script that helps you with this (inspired by the perl script by Freqrush) It creates a Hydrogen drumkit file starting from a number of sample files (wav/flac), so no more one-by-one importing your samples :-) It supports multi-layered kits and allows you to easily define the position of each instrument in your drumkit. It even auto-sets the velocity range per layer. The script + more info can be found here.<http://audio-and-linux.blogspot.com/2012/04/hydrogen-drumkit-creator-script…> (currently Linux only) Enjoy ! Thijs -- follow me on my Audio & Linux blog <http://audio-and-linux.blogspot.com/> !

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