6 Jun
2018
6 Jun
'18
9:01 a.m.
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 01:51:09 +0200, Dominique Michel wrote:
There is a difference between being really hit by systemd pitfalls and
baseless bikeshedding. Major distros decided to migrate to systemd for
valid reasons, it's not a conspiracy done by mentally handicapped
and/or evil distro maintainers.
Don't get me wrong, users could have good reasons to be against systemd
and/or against policykit and similar things.
Le Sun, 3 Jun 2018 02:17:04 +0200,
Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org> a écrit :
Webkit is not part of that "family" mentioned by Fons.
What I *do* find disturbing re. the way Linux
seems
to be going is all those 'kits' and other stuff meant
to replace existing system functionality. Who needs
rtkit if we have limits.conf, or policykit if we have
sudo ?
I fully agree. I am very happy with gentoo because I can choose how I
want my system to be managed and I just don't have those *kit stuffs.
The *webkit* are very interesting. It begun with qtwebkit which take more time to compile
on my gentoo
than a monster like libreoffice. lol After that, we have now kdewebkit
and webkit-gtk which also take an eternity to compile. I just removed
all the software depending on them. I can understand they are easy to
use for a developer, but on a system like gentoo that compile
everything during the installation, I just don't want them because
they just take too long time to compile.
Also on the long run, I don't think it is a good move for a developer
to use them because it will have a lot of maintenance to do. qtwebkit
is marked deprecated, and I think it is just a question of time before
the other webkits become deprecated.
Half-truth I won't comment, since this "kit" is something completely
different to policykit and co. IOW it's off-topic.
And the worst
of all is systemd. It was a nice idea
...
It has become near impossible to find out what
your system is actually up to.
A few weeks ago I installed Devuan (Debian fork
wihout systemd) on two laptops. A very refreshing
experience. Some orders of magnitude simpler. As
a user you don't notice any difference and it
start up faster than systemd. And for me, as admin
of those systems, things have become a lot more
transparent.
When it became possible to easily install it on gentoo, I took a
fast look on systemd's bugzilla. The list of bugs was so huge that I
never installed it on my system. It work fine with openrc from day 1,
and I don't want to take the risk to break a so central part of the
system.
How I see it is than several leading commercial linux distributions
like redhat have huge corporations as paid customers, and these corps
need these kits stuffs and systemd, or at least they was convinced they
need it... But into a dedicated or home computer, they are just "usines
à gaz" (gas plant - these manufactures full with pipes everywhere and
going in all possible directions at the same time) and a complete pain
in the ass to manage as a result.