> Wait
now, you're the one that thought it
would
be a good
idea to add
meterbridge to JAMin.
Really? I have no recollection of suggesting that
and
if I did am clueless as to the context within
which I
would have cast that vote.
Someone said that they were using meterbridge and
another app to
monitor inputs to JAMin and they thought it would be
a good thing if
they were included in JAMin. You replied that you
agreed. I don't
remember what list it was on but I'm sure I could
find it. I think it
might have been Joern's first post on the DC offset
problem.
I see no use for meterbridge in JAMin. We've already
got good metering.
Besides all
that, what does meterbridge have to do
with my reply?
You were complaining about too many things being
included in JAMin.
I was just pointing out that you also want more
things in JAMin.
I am not the originator of the request. Joern relayed
his experience and suggested a solution for detecting
problems. Because it doesn't affect audio processing
it is an easier feature to be in favor of. In
comparison your proposals for low, mid and high delays
are much more complicated. And I imagine you're tired
of arguing about it.
My silince on the proposal isn't an act of
ungratefullness or a lack of interest. I simply don't
know but I did ask Steve about it on IRC. I forget
what his response was.
I'm curious about the results you're getting by
routing through the BBE. Can you adjust the delay
amount realtime and if yes could you create an example
where you slowly sweep from no delay to the right
amount of delay and then beyound where there's to much
delay? If that's reasonable sweep slowly enough and
hold in each setting long enough to adust our hearing
and try to analyze what's happening.
How many milliseconds of delay do you suspect are
inherent in our processing chain?
Are you suggesting the latency is inherent in software
or not until it hits audio card hardware?
I am accutely aware of the negative affect that timing
and sync have and how phasing undermines amplitude
response.
If "delay" is a real problem in mastering do you have
any thoughts on how it's affects Ardour? It seems to
me that there can't be any difference between it and
JAMin. In fact phasing should be more apparent in
Ardour simply because of the track counts. Right or
wrong?
I guess it makes me wonder how hardware manufacturers
like RME or M-Audio deal with delay on wire. Do they?
ron
You just
posted that
yesterday.
For meterbride? I don't think so but am open to
being
proven wrong.
Actually, when I
> use JAMin I often find myself needing just one
more
parametric EQ.
I don't need more equalization control in JAMin
but
often process the source to prepare it for
mastering.
I agree but many times I don't have anything but
the stereo inputs.
I'm doing mastering for other people. If I'm mixing
or recording I'll
adjust at the source.
And in my experience that is the correct method.
> Granted, I can draw any curve I want and get the
> same effect but I can't
> slide it to exactly the right place. There are
> still a couple of
> features that would be nice in JAMin. Direct
out to
> .wav files has been
> mentioned a number of times. In fact I think
you're
one of
the
proponents of that.
I'm not against it because it doesn't affect audio
processing.
Steve wants to add warning
lights for DC offset.
And my response stated that I think Joern's
proposal
is good one. So I don't understand your
point.
> I'd like to have small delays available for low
and
mid band.
That affects the processing of audio and now that
you're forcing the issue I will go on the record
saying I don't know if it's a good idea. My
instincts
leave me doubtful.
How can it effect the audio if it's set to 0 by
default? Also, it
is useful for mastering. I'm thinking about putting
it somewhere out of
the way so that if you don't want to use it it will
be off by default.
Your first proposal included links to
documentation
that explained the idea. I took the time to read
those
documents. I simply wasn't convinced and
didn't
reply.
I figured no response was the lowest volume vote
that
I could cast and wanted to keep the tension
between
you and I somewhat tempered.
It's
> still a mastering tool and we haven't added
anything
that is
not useful
for mastering.
I know you feel very strongly about this feature
but I
am skeptical.
At the moment I'm having to run externally
through my BBE to get the
delays set the way I want them. I don't like having
to go
digital->analog->digital just to get a couple of per
band delays.
Jan
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