Re: [LAU] Reference or HOWTO?

Patrick Shirkey: Hey, it wouldn't hurt to mention the url :) Is it the one on http://lau.linuxaudio.org/ ? First of all: The effort to maintain a site like lau guide must be huge. Keeping it up to date and correct at all times is probably worth at least one fully paid full-time position. Is it worth the unpaid, part-time effort? I think so. When I got in touch with linux audio Dave's site was invaluable, in spite of the rare voids and dated parts. People who do this should get hired by a distribution vendor. In addition to being worshipped. The following are a bunch of loose observations from a mixed seasoned/new user's perspective: "Introduction for newbies" section: I think it's a good section. But it sucks for audio newbies. Suggesting to read kernel docs "Before you start" won't fly, in my opinion. Also almost every aspect of linux audio can be explored from gui-land. So the section's focus on basic cli stuff is ok too. But, again, not for audio newbies. I think I can see what you're trying to get at: Present the cultural difference and hint at the power of linux/gnu systems. Which is what attracted me when I started to use this beast. But the times have changed and today, it seems, there are floods of new users coming in who are interested in a totally different set of topics and related learning curves. Like, actually making music. The debate "Dip them in the dirt to make them strong" vs. "Help them avoid the puddle": it's decided where I live. Why is having VST support in linux a Good Thing? Because it makes it easy for people to come over. In due time they'll learn what's under the hood anyway. On the link section "Installation/Setup": "The JACK user HOWTO"'s first link ("diagram") is dead. The next ("Visit the online ALSA docs") seems to be out of context. Range of sound drivers is out of date ("currently only ALSA") And again, I'd rather focus on gui (mention qjackctl at the top) and append the cli detail. The "Low-Latency HOWTO" from that section reads like a trip back in time. I'm tempted to say "The Introduction part is way too prominent". ext2 for /? No audio apps on /?? Record audio to another ide channel??? None of this is actually solid advice. Was it ever? The non-APIC part is way too prominent. The kernel 2.4 part (I actually looked twice to make sure it's for real :) is way too prominent. While useful and glorious in their days now these should really file under "Historical". Related: The "Realtime Low Latency Wiki" is actually a "Real-Time Linux Wiki" with not much audio on its mind. From my experience the only thing you need for low-latency audio performance in 2008 is a contemporary distribution. Plus 3 darn lines in limits.conf. Will they ever get that right :? On "Useful Information": "The Linux Audio Quality HOWTO" is a dead link. I don't have permission to access "The LAU FAQ", "The Sound HOWTO", which I didn't bother to read, dates from 1999. "The Linux Sound Playing HOWTO" is from 1998. If I were a OS convert and new to linux audio I'd probably be scratching my head even more after browsing lau guide. Where's the appeal? Where is the State of the Art? Where is the music? Maybe a little refactoring would be in order? An explicit "Beginners" section, explicit "Advanced" section. Focus on the beginners (I assume they are the main audience of lau guide?). Get rid of ancient stuff, it's somewhat embarrassing as there is so much great stuff coming along _now_. Feedback, you asked for it :) Be good, Wolfgang