25 Jan
2010
25 Jan
'10
3:24 p.m.
Don't overlook the pushbuttons on each of the rack-mount unit's inputs that may be
cutting about 10dB.
Martin
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:22:24 -0600
From: ectropic.harmony(a)gmail.com
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: Re: [LAU] Questions on New Recording Gear
I haven't had a chance to test the entire set-up of multiple
connections just yet (see message below for what I'm thinking about
trying, I don't know if it'll work) but I have managed to get a basic
recording going with mics into mixer into delta interface into
computer.
One issue right now -
Levels.
Really low levels.
I've adjusted the levels on the mixer, in the envy24 control, and in
Ardour... and it's like I have to max things out just to get a decent
volume.
What's the trick getting rock solid levels during recording and
playback both without having to max things out? :-\
Thanks!
-"E.H."
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Ectropic Harmony
<ectropic.harmony(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, I'd like to try this arrangement with
the
cables/patch-bays/etc., though I currently need monitor speakers and
am just using headphones-
From sources to mixer:
1. 4 XLRs (mics) into Mackie strips 1-4
2. 1 Line In (from guitar amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 5
3. 1 Line In (from another amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 6
4. 2 Line Ins (from "Master Out" (L&R) of elec.drumset) into Mackie strip
"9-10"
(Also hooking elec.drumset's MIDI up to the Delta 1010 dig.rec.system)
(Also hooking up USB/MIDI keyboard/controller to computer)
From mixer to digital recording system:
5. 4 TRSs (from Mackie Direct Outs 1-4) into Delta inputs 1-4
6. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 5) into Delta input 5
7. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 6) into Delta input 6
8. 2 TRSs (from Mackie Sub Outs 1-2, with "1-2" enabled) into Delta inputs 7-8
From digital recording system to mixer:
9. 2 TRSs (from Delta Outs 1-2) into Mackie strip "13-14", with "L/R"
enabled
10. 2 TRSs (from Delta Outs 3-4) into Mackie strip "15-16", with
"L/R" enabled
11. 1 TRS (from Delta out 5) into Mackie strip 7, with "L/R" enabled
12. 1 TRS (from Delta out 6) into Mackie strip 8, with "L/R" enabled
13. 2 TRSs (from Delta outs 7-8) into Mackie strip "11-12", with
"L/R" enabled
From mixer to PA:
14. 2 TRSs (from Mackie Main Outs L&R) into PA channels 1 & 2
From PA to speakers:
15. 2 TRSs (from the 2 PA Outs) into 2 monitor speakers
I don't know... would that set-up work?
My hunch is using the PA is overkill in a home recording situation,
though perhaps appropriate in a live setting. It has 4 channels, so
that opens up an additional 2 free channels for 1 more stereo source.
Right?
Well, that's my attempt at using every single strip on the mixer. ;) I
hope I didn't totally mutilate the patching order.
Here's my attempt at a more immediate set-up for home recording and
monitoring via headphones:
From sources to mixer:
1. 4 XLRs (mics) into Mackie strips 1-4
2. 1 Line In (from guitar amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 5
3. 1 Line In (from another amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 6
4. 2 Line Ins (from "Master Out" (L&R) of elec.drumset) into Mackie strip
"9-10"
(Also hooking up elec.drumset's MIDI to the Delta 1010 dig.rec.system)
(Also hooking up USB/MIDI keyboard/controller to computer)
From mixer to digital recording system:
5. 4 TRSs (from Mackie Direct Outs 1-4) into Delta inputs 1-4
6. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 5) into Delta input 5
7. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 6) into Delta input 6
8. 2 TRSs (from Mackie Sub Outs 1-2, with "1-2" enabled) into Delta inputs 7-8
From digital recording system to mixer:
9. 2 TRSs (from Delta Outs 1-2) into Mackie strip "15-16", with "L/R"
enabled
(Using the Delta Outs 1-2 as Main Mix)
From mixer to headphones:
10. Enable "Main Mix 'Source'" on Mackie & adjust phones volume w/
phones in phones port "A" on the Mackie
I do plan on getting monitor speakers, and I do have normal computer
speakers (Harmon-Kardon "2.1", not sure how I could implement those in
this set-up) but I'll need to otherwise make do with headphones for
now.
I'd like to be able to use the 6 extra Delta Outs, the Mackie's subs
3-4, all of the extra Sub Outs on the back of the Mackie, the
remaining two Direct outs (7 & 8) on the Mackie, the remaining Ins on
the Mackie (7, 8, 11-12, & 13-14), and of course the Aux features
would be auxsome... I mean awesome. All in due time. :)
Anyway, did I do anything wrong with the patch set-ups above, in
particular the 2nd one - with 10 steps - that ends up monitoring via
headphones?
Thanks!
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Scott Ecker <lau(a)troutpocket.org> wrote:
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http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Ectropic Harmony wrote:
I've recently started adding new gear to my
studio, which isn't much...
Here's the list...
Instruments:
Acoustic & electric guitars
Bass guitar
Electronic drumset (a very nice Roland, MIDI but also has direct
outs/main outs (1/4" TRS))
USB/MIDI keyboard (M-Audio Axiom 49)
Various other instruments, percussion, winds, strings
Misc. gear:
Amps (combos, i.e. Marshall, TubeWorks)
Power amp (not currently using this, it's a 4 channel PA)
Recording gear:
4 mics (AT2020s)
Mixer (Mackie 1642-VLZ3, 16 channel 4 bus analog mixer)
Digital audio interface (M-Audio Delta 1010)
Computer (64-bit quad core 2.6GHz CPU, 4GB RAM, 3TB space; running
Ubuntu Studio 9.10)
The new equipment is the recording gear - specifically the Mackie
mixer, the Delta 1010 audio interface, and the mics.
This isn't too unlike my setup, except that I have an acoustic drum
kit. The keys to successful acoustic recording (IMO):
1. Good microphones.
2. Good cables.
3. Good mixer.
4. Good room.
The rest of it comes down to mic placement, and the quality of the
musicians themselves. The difference between the cheap and modestly
priced components above will manifest itself in hiss and line noise.
Every step in the chain must be good (or better) quality to get a smooth
recording.
My setup is tubes and acoustics all the way to my DAW. Ardour is
amazing and does everything I need to record 12+ tracks simultaneously.
-Scott
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