[LAU] Full-featured mixers

Hi list. Just continuing a thread I probably should have started here instead of on Jack lists. I was trying to say I was disappointed that apparently a user had trouble with some hardware volumes. So I lamented the lack of hardware controls in general mixers these days. They used to show all ALSA controls. I found a tip for KMix to show ALSA *not* Pulse controls: "export KMIX_PULSEAUDIO_DISABLE=1 && kmix" But unfortunately it's either Pulse or ALSA, not both at the same time in KMix. To me that's a bad thing. So I want to give a big shout out for QasMixer https://sourceforge.net/projects/qastools/ and ask what general mixers you might use and what you think of QasMixer and QasHctl. They're pretty cool. They show all my ice1712 controls. I think a desktop mixer icon should eventually bring you to something like that instead of only Pulse. What do you think? Tim.