Greetings:
  I'd like to put this thread in a coffin and drive in the last nail: 
    USians opining about socialism is as ludicrous as USians opining
 about democracy.
  Now, if you wanna know about corporate plutocracies, *that* we can
 discuss better than anyone else on this planet.
  "You are a slave, Neo."
 Best,
 dp
 Shayne O'Connor wrote:
 
That's not to say we should be naive about market forces, but
 there's no need to wheel out tired old truisms in their defence. I
 do uphold your right to be horribly misled, however. ;-)
    
 the basic, underlying flaw with capitalism and the "free" market is that
 it cannot sustain itself - we will start to see this more and more as
 governments privatise more and more social services and utilities ...
 after all, there is only so much you can charge for, say, the price of a
 phone call ... and once you've hit the ceiling of how much you can
 charge, then there's only so far you can cut back your services ....
 actually, someone should tell this to tesltra ...
 i love it when these lists get woefully off-topic :)