23 Dec
2005
23 Dec
'05
7:35 a.m.
On Friday 23 December 2005 01:21, Dave Robillard wrote:
On Thu, 2005-22-12 at 05:41 +0200, I. I. Ooisen wrote:
read my lips: use NOTEEDIT :))
well, actually any piece of hardware in a computer is sorta
"closed-source". and we use gnu/linux on that computer. this doesn't
make anyone feel their gnu/linux is any less free. just as having
open-source drivers doesn't make their gnu/linux any freer.
i would explain why, but i am busy atm. guess i may soon find and send
you a link, as you seem quite concerned about this stuff.
On Wednesday 21 December 2005 20:41, Cesare
Marilungo wrote:
read my lips: proprietary kernel drivers. Please, don't get me wrong. But I actually
fear the day in which
gnu/Linux will have a wider success. Because I fear that this
will
heh, you spelled "linux" with capital "l" and "gnu" with
lowercase...
happen only if gnu/Linux will abandon (or at
least hide) its real
strenghts and its real philosophy. Or worse it could finally
become just another commercial o.s.
read my lips: this can never happen. Go buy a recent video card and see how much this can
"never" happen.
How free is a system that can't DISPLAY VIDEO without proprietary
software? Not very free at all. (Yes, yes, it's only 3D _for now_,
but you get the point).
Ditto for wireless adapters, though not quite as bad a situation. Is
a system that can't even get on a network a useful one? Not in this
century.
there's always a way to "do it our way", if we do care. as long as we
exist, there's need. and as long as there's need, there's supply. i
don't care about the others as long as we have our own options. yes,
there are many of "them". but then again, there are hundreds of
millions of communists in china or windows users in the civilized world
-- who cares about them all? nobody will ever force me buy an
unsupported card.
The GPL protects a certain block of code from being
made proprietary,
but it does NOT protect the ability for us to create a truly free
operating system, whatsoever.
I think "just another commercial OS" would be a good description of a
Linux system so bogged down with horrible proprietary crap (ie the
same shining standard of quality that windows enjoys.. ahem) that
it's unusable without it. OSX is composed of a lot of free software,
but it's not even close to a "free software operating system".
Translation: The war isn't over, and we aren't safe. :)
why, absolutely agreed. in fact, my optimistic tone ("this will never
happen") was not meant -- i thought i'd made that evident! -- to
express an indolent and self-deceiving sense of safety. quite the
contrary, it was expressing determination. just that type of
determination our war needs.
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