14 Aug
2008
14 Aug
'08
10:46 a.m.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Jamie McLaughlin <
j.mclaughlin(a)sheffield.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi,
I have been advised not to disconnect the earth pin from a laptop in
these circumstances. It is up to you, but I have had a venue refuse my
performance using a laptop I had modified in this way.
Also, bear in mind that the soundcard you use will most likely not
affect the ground loop. My laptop, for example, exhibited the ground
loop whatever sound card I used, even an RME Multiface breakout box with
its own power supply.
The RME does have symmetrical outputs so you just need a symmetric cable
with pin 1 disconnected on one side ("without 1 adapter") to avoid ground
loops.
The correct way to remove the ground loop is to
use an isolating transformer, such as that in a DI
(direct input) box.
Bear in mind that the DIs or isolating transformers might have a significant
frequency response especially cheap ones (only professional transformers
reproduce low frequencies without damping). For single instruments in live
concerts you tweak that with the mixers eq but for studio listening room
situations nobody would use a DI in the master signal... (if not Klark
Teknik or BSS which cost like 120 Euros each, you can almost buy a new
laptop for this ; ) )
Most venues will have DI boxes, or you can buy your
own. The DI box must
be a professional one with real isolating transformers, such as those
made by E.M.O. I bought a passive stereo EMO DI box (E525).
http://www.canford.co.uk/Products/20-032.aspx
Of course, the very best thing to do is eventually upgrade to a laptop
which does not exhibit a ground loop.
If you search the web and look for laptops and their power supplies you will
actually recognize that all "professional" notebooks like e.g. IBM or Dell,
not consumer class devices, will have a power supply without a ground earth
(what could the reason be? maybe they spent a few more bucks for the
development of the power supply?).
I now have a Thinkpad X41, which
does not have the problem.
Good luck! Ground loops are annoying.
Jamie
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Martin Horn wrote:
I am an electrical engineer myself and here are
the facts again:
If the device has no metal parts which are able to carry a voltage there
is no use for a ground earth, although a lot of notebook power supllies
have one (The reason is that they have standardized connectors and there
are standardized cables for these which are just cheaper because they
are used for a lot of other devices as well which might need a ground
earth).
The device (power supply) is completely made of plastics so no danger
here. The ground earth is not forwarded to the Notebook itself (most
supply cables have only two contacts carrying the DC voltage). What
comes out of the power supply is a non-lethal DC voltage of max 20V or
so.
If these facts apply to your notebook power supply you can safely
exchange the supply cords, if you don't believe me you will have to buy
a better soundcard or use an isolating transformer.
Greetz
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Arnold Krille <arnold(a)arnoldarts.de
<mailto:arnold@arnoldarts.de>> wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2008 schrieb Martin Horn:
Assuming
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Shawn Wallis
<miesco251(a)gmail.com <mailto:miesco251@gmail.com>> wrote:
When I
unplug my AC for my laptop, the noise stops... WHen add
brightness to my laptop screen I get less noise...
I suppose your laptop has an
earth connection on the power cord. your laptop power supply is made of plastics with
no metal
contacts (like
almost all are) you do not need that connection
and without it
the noise
(from the ground loop) should stop. Just put some
kind of
isolating tape
over the metal contacts from the earth ground
(maybe two layers,
because it
might get cut when plugging in) and your ready to
go. If you
don't want to
carry that tape with you all the time you should
try to exchange
your power
cord (those from electric shavers looking like an
"8" work
sometimes).
And here came the advice of the stuff you shouldn't do.
Yes, it might fix your problem. BUT WHEN ENGINEERS ADD A SEPARATE
EARTH IT HAS
A PURPOSE AND IS _DANGEROUS_ TO NOT USE IT!
Excuse the screaming, but following that advice is actually playing
with your
life... only do that if you have a death wish.
Arnold
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