31 Jul
2005
31 Jul
'05
3:44 p.m.
On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 12:17, hanaghan(a)starband.net wrote:
I beg to differ, I certainly had a financial motive. It goes like
this:
Micro$oft Windoze XP ~ $300 US (Micro$oft - your paycheck, our pocket)
Pro Tools ~ anywhere from $500 US to $10000 US depending on version and
features
T-RackS ~ $400 US
Linux ~ priceless ;-)
When you look at it this way, I just got paid a minimum of $1200 US
for my time. Granted, I could have gotten it all for free. I put in my
time on JAMin so that the people who work on Ardour, Alsa, JACK,
Rosegarden, Hydrogen, etc will have a nice mastering tool. They put in
their time so that I can have a nice recording, etc tool (some of them
want to make money on their stuff and that's OK too). All the users put
in their time beta testing so that the tools will get better. This is a
community house raising if you will. Everybody brings what they have to
the gig and we work together to help each other. Sappy but true. If
all of those other people weren't working on what they're working on I
wouldn't be here either.
--
Jan "Evil Twin" Depner
The Fuzzy Dice
http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html
"As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be
glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this
we should do freely and generously."
Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of
Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744
On Sun,
2005-07-31 at 05:51, tim hall wrote:
JAMin is one of the many apps I think is very versitile and generally just
works. I have used apps in windows such as Ozone for the same thing. It's
expensive and has nice eye candy...other than that it offers nothing that
JAMin and the suite of LADSPA plugins cannot do.
The "bitch at random" statement along with the other was probally better
pointed to a Windows community! I officially retract these implied actions
and stand corrected. I resign my post as ....as....well...nothing! I don't
have a post!
Simply put, I wish to understand more about the reasoning and interactions
of the "ecosystem" so that I might attempt to convey it to the many nae
sayers I relay interesting Linux audio banter to. They tend to look at me
like the "deer in the headlights" when they understand that there is
literally little or no financial motive. Last Saturday 30 July 2005 18:01, Jan Depner was
like:
You are correct, JAMin did start as a discussion on LAD.
There are a number of Windoze/Mac mastering packages (like
T-RackS). A lot of audio mastering is done using suites of hardware -
preamps, EQs, compressors, limiters. It can get very expensive.
There is some *serious* processing going on so it probably won't get
any lighter. Hopefully Moore's law will take care of that ;-)
I was being facetious when I mentioned those who "bitch at random".
As someone else pointed out earlier, without users a project is pretty
much a dead beast. Where I work I try to sit next to the people who are
using my software. The short feedback loop is the best way to make sure
that you're creating something useful. With JAMin I can't actually sit
next to the people using our software but I can do so virtually via the
mailing lists. I sincerely believe that the users are the best source
of innovative ideas. Sometimes what they want is not possible but the
discussions keep the ideas flowing.
On Sat, 2005-07-30 at 16:04,
hanaghan(a)starband.net wrote:
> I want to know
> what makes you spend the time you do on this stuff so guys like me
can pilfer
legally and freely your hard works and then
subsequently bitch at random about how it doesn't work! :)
I understand the tongue in cheek-ness of this remark, but I think
you've muddied the waters by using this analogy.
One of the reasons that I started working on
JAMin with Steve,
Jack,
et al is that I was using Ardour. I had tried to
contribute to
Ardour at first but it was too far along in development for me to
jump in and easily get acclimated. I didn't have the time to spend
to get up to speed. I felt that I owed something back to the
community (and Paul in particular) for the work that had gone in to
the applications that I was able to "pilfer legally and freely". As
far as playing nicely together is concerned, that's why we used
JACK. JAMin was actually designed to be the mastering backend to
Ardour. I have to admit that once I got started working on JAMin it
was a hell of a lot of fun ;-) It seems to me that some of the best
ideas come from those who "bitch at random".
JAMin is a good example. I'm really impressed with the way it was
developed collaboratively, starting from a discussion here & on LAD
AFAIU. I like the fact that it's not a drop-in replacement for
anything I've ever seen before (my experience of music software
outside Linux is limited) I like what it does, the way it does it and
I LOVE the way it looks. In fact, the only thing I don't like is its
heavy use of resources on this machine, but I suspect that's a direct
result of the sort of processing involved and I'm not expecting that
to change. Soon I will own a computer that was made this century.
Describing yourselves as those who "bitch at random" is
self-deprecating to say the least. I'd like to see more projects
happen this way.